From: ganthony@gmail.net   
      
   sticks  wrote:   
   > On 11/21/2024 10:08 AM, George.Anthony wrote:   
   >> bfh  wrote:   
   >>> sticks wrote:   
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   >>>> I find this an interesting analysis.  Look at it this way.  One side   
   >>>> uses the laws of physics and believes there is no free lunch.   
   >>>> Everything we see and are aware of existing can be shown to have an   
   >>>> origin.  From explaining where they keyboard we type on is made, to   
   >>>> how our Earth and the other planets came into existence in our galaxy,   
   >>>> to how stars formed, to how hydrogen and helium compressed from   
   >>>> gravitational forces, and everything else all the way back to the big   
   >>>> bang.  This group of people simply want to know where that energy,   
   >>>> matter and space time got there.  That is following the science.   
   >>>   
   >>> Where was the energy and the stuff before it banged?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> If I may join in here, that is a question I have. That and where was the   
   >> energy before the energy before the alleged big bang.  And where did God   
   >> come from and what was there before God. I am from the school that nothing   
   >> comes from nothing,  yet here we are.   
   >   
   > Hope you had a nice trip, George.   
   >   
   > I had a surgery yesterday and was feeling a little too good (if'n ya   
   > know what I mean) to answer Bill, and plan on doing so today.  but first   
   > I thought I'd give my opinion on your questions above.   
   >   
   > Where did the stuff come from is how I like to begin my thinking, but   
   > probably the last thing I need answered.  For me, it is a scientifically   
   > unanswerable question and what you have to decide is whether or not you   
   > think it had a beginning, or just always has been.  If you think it has   
   > always been, you can just move on with no further analysis necessary.   
   > If like me, you think it did have a beginning (intelligently designed)   
   > somehow, you then would consider what could possibly do that.  My path   
   > is to show different evidence that also points toward an information   
   > rich intelligence being more likely the cause of certain things, and   
   > then add them up and weigh the pros and cons on each side of the debate.   
   >   
   > Meaning, I might have an answer personally to your second question of   
   > where then did God come from, but I am not ready to give an answer to it   
   > yet.  More information is available and can be helpful.  My goal is not   
   > to try and proselytize for anything in a religious manner, though it is   
   > hard to escape the inference if intelligent design gains strength.  Who   
   > or what someone might thing that designer might be I want to leave up to   
   > the individual.  My goal is to show the science saying much of   
   > naturalism is simply impossible, and contrary to general belief is not   
   > proven in any manner shape or form.   
   >   
   > I will say there is a path to answering your question, and that path   
   > includes these scientific and metaphysical questions and discoveries.   
   > Like I said earlier, I am just saddened so few even ask the question   
   > anymore.   
   >   
      
   We had an excellent trip. Went to Arkansas. Not too much fall color to see   
   though given the dry spell.  Ironically, or maybe not, the best color we   
   saw was in a cemetery.   
      
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   Biden has no idea what he is doing but he’s really, really good at it.   
      
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