From: wolverine01@charter.net   
      
   On 1/10/2025 10:10 AM, George.Anthony wrote:   
      
   >> As far as Rogan, I find it interesting he knows as much as he does about   
   >> the topic.  He actually knew the CMB (cosmic microwave background)   
   >> exists as evidence of the big bang.  He walked right up to the edge, and   
   >> then fell short of asking the next question, of which there are several.   
   >>   But in this interview, the next logical question is where did the pin   
   >> head of all material and whatever caused it to go bang come from?  Too   
   >> bad he didn't go there.   
      
   > That has always been my issue, although I don’t dwell on it. I have always   
   > believed you can’t create something from nothing so how did the first   
   > something get created? Same for a superior being who, according to   
   > theologians, has always been here.  Even with my superior intellect, it   
   > boggles the mind.   
      
   I believe you are correct that both sides, the naturalists and the   
   creationists, have to answer the question in some form.  Here's how I   
   see it.  If you follow the where did the stuff come from question to the   
   end (or in this case the beginning), there is not going to be an   
   acceptable answer for people like us, which is why the naturalists use   
   the brute fact that it has always been here.  They will never consider   
   anything outside their naturalism, especially something supernatural.   
      
   The problem for me is that the scientific evidence shows information and   
   intelligence was necessary for these things to have occurred, and thus I   
   am willing to look into other areas they are not.  It becomes a matter   
   of urgency because if they are wrong and a supernatural creator does   
   exist, that entity must have some plan for us and why he would create   
   something like this.  So the answer for the creationist on where God   
   came from is that while I can't answer that now, no one can, I have   
   faith that I will someday know the answer to the question.  The   
   important part is accepting all the evidence that this didn't happen on   
   it's own, and moving forward now with accepting the evidence and the   
   next step in living with that knowledge.   
      
   Some people call this type of talk preaching.  I don't.  I have not   
   suggested any faith as the true faith.  That would be pointless until   
   people come to grips with the fact that if you follow the question of   
   where the initial matter and energy from the Big Bang came from all the   
   way back, it is evidence of there being a creator.  Simply put, the fact   
   that we're here is proof of God.  Most people simply can't follow the   
   logic on that, or won't.   
      
      
   > -- Big bang or god -   
      
   I would disagree with this choice.  I think the big bang happened, and I   
   believe there was a creator that planned it.  This ties into our talk of   
   our understanding of time.  It would be easy to say that God simply made   
   it all appear.  But, that's not what the evidence shows.  How the   
   initial matter, energy, and space came into existence is another thing.   
   I don't think it happened 13.84  million years ago, at least not as how   
   we understand time.  But that is irrelevant and I can live with either   
   scenario.  Mortals cannot possibly understand the meaning of time to an   
   intelligence like God.   
      
      
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