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   From: ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net   
      
   That was VERY heelpful.   
      
   You got any TRAINING ADVICE?   
      
   On land you can beat your dog in the face   
   with your shepherd's crook. In the water   
   your ONLY alternative is to SHOCK the dog.   
      
   BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!   
      
    wrote in message   
   news:3561kaF4k6pvqU1@individual.net...   
   > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:29:40 GMT Spot    
   whittled these words:   
   > > What's the point of him chasing them further into the water   
   unless he's   
   > > supposed to catch them?   
   >   
   > The idea is to harrass the geese into choosing another home.   
   The   
   > alternative is to kill the geese.  It is an increasingly common   
   method of   
   > keeping the density of geese in urban aras to manageble levels.   
   If the   
   > geese only need to go into the water to termnate the chase then   
   they will   
   > learn that and will not leave.  If that happens lethal control   
   is the next   
   > alternative.  So the idea is for the dog to continue chasing the   
   geese   
   > until they decide the area isbn't safe and they leave.  Which   
   means the   
   > dog needs to swim after them.  VEry few BOrder Collies are   
   intersted in   
   > actually catching the birds. Their motivation is control and   
   chasing.   
   >   
   >   
   > > "Mick Ribault"  wrote in message   
   > > news:sPbHd.433$PA2.198@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...   
   > >> So I've started doing some work with my border collie   
   (already trained to   
   > >> chase geese). He has had some time without chasing geese, and   
   now he won't   
   > >> go all the way to them in the water. How do I train him to   
   keep after   
   > > them??   
   > >> He's been successfull in the past. He swims half way out and   
   then turns   
   > >> around. I hate to be negative when he's in the water. Any   
   advice   
   > >> appreciated.   
   >   
   > Mick, I don't know the answer to your question.  I know someone   
   who has   
   > trained several goose dogs but I've never worked one myself.  I   
   recommend   
   > joining the Herders-L group. At least two people experienced in   
   goose   
   > control work post there regularly.   
   >   
   > email listserv@apple.ease.lsoft.com   
   >   
   > the body of the message should have ONLY the following   
   > SUBSCRIBE HERDERS-L yourFirstName yourLastName   
   >   
   > (do make sure to put YOUR firstname and YOU last name in, not   
   the words   
   > "yourfirstname" and "yourlastname" - you'd be surprised at how   
   many people   
   > miss that)   
   >   
   > And while you are doing that and getting answers from the   
   experienced here   
   > is my thought for you to chew on.  As I said above Border   
   Collies are   
   > motivated primarily by the opportunity to control.  Is your dog   
   getting   
   > any opportunity to work ducks/geese in a situation where the dog   
   can   
   > actually control them?   
   >   
   > Hope to see you and the answer on Herders-L   
   >   
   > --   
   > Diane Blackman   
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