XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On Sat, 07 May 2005 17:17:45 GMT, "Joanne"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message news:erpp71hc492ggf5mjj2odk3l6etf0b2vqu@4ax.com...   
   >> On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
   >>    Animals experience disappointment Goo. Almost any   
   >> child with a dog could tell you about it. It doesn't mean   
   >> that all animals can, but it does mean some of them   
   >> can.   
   >   
   >Definitely true of parrots.  Billy, my Severe Macaw makes a disappointed   
   >vocal when he wants to come out to play and I have to walk away without him.   
   >It's not a scream for attention; it's a quick, low vocalization of   
   >disappointment without doubt.   
      
       It's not too surprising, though I had wondered if birds experience it.   
   I never saw chickens show signs of it, but when something is taken   
   from them that they like, the hens have ways of showing they are   
   feeling the loss. I made a reply to the Gonad (sometimes posting   
   as Rudy Canoza) which is a quote from Darwin regarding his dog   
   expessing disappoinment. You might find the page of some interest:   
      
   http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin3/expression/expression02.htm   
      
   Darwin also explained his belief that emotions evolved as life itself   
   did, and my impression is that he feels some animals are capable   
   of more than others, which is almost certainly how it is. I read it a   
   few years ago, and didn't save any of the quotes or mark the   
   location, and haven't been able to find it. Gonad, if your reading this   
   do something useful and hunt it up, along with your superior term   
   for "experiencing life".   
      
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