XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:34:05 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
      
   >shevek4@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >   
   >> Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Sun, 08 May 2005 20:41:31 GMT, Rudy Canoza    
   >>   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>we have been here to establish   
   >>>>>that your beliefs about animals are purely your   
   >>>>>projection of your emotions onto animals.  That is   
   >>>>>called anthropomorphization, and it is philosophically   
   >>>>>wrong.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    We have also been here and found that you have no   
   >>>>idea whether my beliefs are correct or not,   
   >>>   
   >>>We DO know that your beliefs are completely incorrect.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>because you don't have a clue which emotions they are   
   >>>>and are not capable of.   
   >>>   
   >>>We do know certain ones that they do not experience.  Disappointment   
   >>   
   >> is   
   >>   
   >>>one they do not experience.  Period.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> You've got to be kidding me!!  Seriously, I am very disappointed that   
   >> this discussion is even happening!  WTF!   
   >>   
   >> Let's start with definition:   
   >> dis·ap·point   
   >>   
   >>    1. To fail to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of.   
   >   
   >You IDIOT!  That's what someone can do TO another.  It   
   >is an ACTIVE verb:  you disappoint me.   
   >   
   >TO BE disappointed is passive.  The disappointed one   
   >doesn't DO anything.  You've given an active verb to   
   >try to support an overly sentimental,   
   >anthropomorphizing view that animals can PASSIVELY be   
   >disappointed.   
   >   
   >You fucking moron.   
   >   
   >For starters, animals do not have "hopes".  They have   
   >primitive desires and expectations,   
      
       They are all related and some animals experience them.   
   Most people are not too stupid to understand that Goober.   
      
   >but they are not   
   >"disappointed" when they are not satisfied.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Rudy, are you saying animals have no hopes or desires?   
   >   
   >They absolutely do not have hopes.   
      
       You are too stupid to understand.   
      
   >They have primitive   
   >desires, and when the desires aren't met, the animals   
   >do not mope the way humans might.   
      
       How the hell could you know?   
      
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