XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On 20 May 2005 15:19:28 -0700, "Rudy Canoza"  wrote:   
      
   >shevek4@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >> Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >> > dh@. wrote:   
   >> > > On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:35:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza    
   >> wrote:   
   >> > >   
   >> > > >gay merrington wrote:   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > >> Animals,most if not all,DO experience emotion but certainly   
   >not   
   >> in   
   >> > a way we   
   >> > > >> as humans understand.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > >Primitive emotions:  fear, aggression, anger.  They do   
   >> > > >NOT experience disappointment, dashed hope, envy,   
   >> > > >Schadenfreude, exultance, pride.   
   >> > >   
   >> > >     What do you think prevents them from experiencing   
   >> > > simple things like that?   
   >> >   
   >> > I suspect the same thing that keeps them from doing differential   
   >> > calculus or studying philosophy, Fuckwit:  the lack of human   
   >> > capacity.   
   >> >   
   >>   
   >> So any human can do those things?   
   >   
   >No, but ONLY humans can.   
   >   
   >> I know some people who can't even   
   >> take simple derivatives, is that due to lack of human capacity?   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > > As yet we have no reason   
   >> > > to believe they can't experience pride just as well as anger,   
   >> > > or envy, or fear.   
   >> >   
   >> > Yes, we have ample reason to believe they can't experience pride,   
   >> > Fuckwit - they give no evidence of it.  I think you also can't   
   >> > experience it, Fuckwit, because you have nothing in your life of   
   >> > which to be proud.   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps you have never experienced pride if you cannot recognize it   
   >in   
   >> others.   
   >   
   >I've experienced it myself and recognized it in others.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> A mother is proud of her offspring, proud of her abilitiy to care for   
   >> them.   
   >   
   >Non human animal mothers are not.  Their only connection to their   
   >offspring is feeding them and protecting them.   
      
       You're just too stupid to recognize anything else Goo. There are   
   lots of other connections. Even birds teach things to their young.   
   You are so out of touch you don't have any clue at all what the   
   hell you're trying to discuss. Pride is no harder to experience than   
   anger, but for some stupid retarded reason you believe it is. That   
   is only one of many examples of how stupid you are Goober. You   
   are a moronic clown who "thinks" he's a genius. Your only humor   
   is in your own stupidity, which is often pathetic but hilarious. In this   
   particular case so far it's just  pathetic, because you're not able to   
   think enough about it to explain what what you believe restricts all   
   nonhuman animals from experiencing simple basic emotions.   
      
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