XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:31:21 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 20 May 2005 15:19:28 -0700, "Rudy Canoza"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>shevek4@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:35:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza    
   >>>>   
   >>>>wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>gay merrington wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Animals,most if not all,DO experience emotion but certainly   
   >>>   
   >>>not   
   >>>   
   >>>>in   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>a way we   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>as humans understand.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Primitive emotions:  fear, aggression, anger.  They do   
   >>>>>>>NOT experience disappointment, dashed hope, envy,   
   >>>>>>>Schadenfreude, exultance, pride.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    What do you think prevents them from experiencing   
   >>>>>>simple things like that?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I suspect the same thing that keeps them from doing differential   
   >>>>>calculus or studying philosophy, Fuckwit:  the lack of human   
   >>>>>capacity.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>So any human can do those things?   
   >>>   
   >>>No, but ONLY humans can.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>I know some people who can't even   
   >>>>take simple derivatives, is that due to lack of human capacity?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>As yet we have no reason   
   >>>>>>to believe they can't experience pride just as well as anger,   
   >>>>>>or envy, or fear.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yes, we have ample reason to believe they can't experience pride,   
   >>>>>Fuckwit - they give no evidence of it.  I think you also can't   
   >>>>>experience it, Fuckwit, because you have nothing in your life of   
   >>>>>which to be proud.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Perhaps you have never experienced pride if you cannot recognize it   
   >>>   
   >>>in   
   >>>   
   >>>>others.   
   >>>   
   >>>I've experienced it myself and recognized it in others.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>A mother is proud of her offspring, proud of her abilitiy to care for   
   >>>>them.   
   >>>   
   >>>Non human animal mothers are not.  Their only connection to their   
   >>>offspring is feeding them and protecting them.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     You're just too stupid   
   >   
   >I'm not stupid about anything   
      
       You lost that one too.   
      
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