XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:30:18 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 20 May 2005 11:16:44 -0700, "Rudy Canoza"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:35:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>gay merrington wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Animals,most if not all,DO experience emotion but certainly not in   
   >>>   
   >>>a way we   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>as humans understand.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Primitive emotions:  fear, aggression, anger.  They do   
   >>>>>NOT experience disappointment, dashed hope, envy,   
   >>>>>Schadenfreude, exultance, pride.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    What do you think prevents them from experiencing   
   >>>>simple things like that?   
   >>>   
   >>>I suspect the same thing that keeps them from doing differential   
   >>>calculus or studying philosophy,   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     How stupid of you.   
   >   
   >No, stupid Fuckwit.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>Fuckwit:  the lack of human capacity.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>As yet we have no reason   
   >>>>to believe they can't experience pride just as well as anger,   
   >>>>or envy, or fear.   
   >>>   
   >>>Yes, we have ample reason to believe they can't experience pride,   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     We have none.   
   >   
   >We have ample reason, Fuckwit:  they give no evidence   
   >of it.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>Fuckwit - they give no evidence of it.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     Some of them give plenty of evidence of it.   
   >   
   >None of them give ANY evidence of it.   
      
       And you lose again.   
      
   >>>I think you also can't   
   >>>experience it, Fuckwit, because you have nothing in your life of which   
   >>>to be proud.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     I can be proud that I have defined you   
   >   
   >You haven't defined me, Fuckwit.   
      
       That's a lie Goober.   
      
   >I have defined you.   
   >Completely.   
      
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