XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.cats.misc, rec.pets.birds   
      
   On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:26:20 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:30:18 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>dh@. wrote:   
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   >>>   
   >>>>On 20 May 2005 11:16:44 -0700, "Rudy Canoza"  wrote:   
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   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:35:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>gay merrington wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Animals,most if not all,DO experience emotion but certainly not in   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>a way we   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>as humans understand.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Primitive emotions:  fear, aggression, anger.  They do   
   >>>>>>>NOT experience disappointment, dashed hope, envy,   
   >>>>>>>Schadenfreude, exultance, pride.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   What do you think prevents them from experiencing   
   >>>>>>simple things like that?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I suspect the same thing that keeps them from doing differential   
   >>>>>calculus or studying philosophy,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    How stupid of you.   
   >>>   
   >>>No, stupid Fuckwit.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>Fuckwit:  the lack of human capacity.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>As yet we have no reason   
   >>>>>>to believe they can't experience pride just as well as anger,   
   >>>>>>or envy, or fear.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yes, we have ample reason to believe they can't experience pride,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    We have none.   
   >>>   
   >>>We have ample reason, Fuckwit:  they give no evidence   
   >>>of it.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>Fuckwit - they give no evidence of it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Some of them give plenty of evidence of it.   
   >>>   
   >>>None of them give ANY evidence of it.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     And you lose again.   
   >   
   >No, Fuckwit.  NO non-human animals give ANY evidence of   
   >experiencing pride.   
      
       Yes they do Goo. You're just too stupid to recognise it.   
   Pride is no more impossible to experience than anger or fear,   
   and you moronically display incredible stupidity by flaunting   
   the fact that you "think" it is.   
      
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