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   On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:24:19 -0600, Leslie  wrote:   
      
   >Found scrawled in the outhouse on Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:56:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >We are having a communication problem, David. So, in an effort to get back to   
   the original   
   >debate let's review:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Is your political position   
   >>>>>>>more in line with animal welfare rather than any rights?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Yes. If animals are given the right to freedom and the right not to   
   be   
   >>>>>>killed by humans, then domestic animals will no longer exist.   
   >   
   >It was your sentence after "Yes" that made no sense, until I added "according   
   to ARAs".   
   >So, in that context, explain how the right to freedom and the right not to be   
   killed by   
   >humans would extinguish domestic animals.   
      
       Domestic animals are kept by humans. If they're not kept by humans they're   
   not   
   domestic animals.   
      
   >>>>    Can you seriously not understand that they are completely different   
   situations, so   
   >>>>what I pointed out would not have the same outcome in both situations? If   
   you can   
   >>>>understand it then I'd like to see you explain why. But sadly I doubt you   
   can. Here's   
   >>>>a hint though: freedom.   
   >>>   
   >>>OIC. With "freedom" animals would be exempted from death altogether.   
   >>   
   > all the rest because, until you help to put this thought about freedom   
   into context   
   >I think we will just be at an impasse of misunderstanding.   
      
       If you can't understand it then you should try to find something that's   
   eaier   
   to think about...if there is anything any easier, because it's extremely easy   
   to understand. But since you're having so much trouble with it, why don't   
   you explain how you think animals kept by humans could exist if humans   
   no longer kept animals.   
      
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