XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.dogs.health, misc.rural   
      
   On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:28:40 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:41:38 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:07:19 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
   >>>On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:42:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:52:59 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
   >>>>>On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:48:46 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:47:18 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:49:08 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:53:22 -0400, Jim Elbrecht    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:31:38 -0400, whatthe@fu?.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:49:10 GMT, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>    No dog has any sense of anticipation longer than a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>    couple of seconds.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>     Can you back up that absurd sounding claim?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>If Goo comes back with a theory-- I'll dispute it with personal   
   >>>>>>>>>experience.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    Goo is short for Goobernicus.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>You're so funny. You kill me every time.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>It would be hilarious to see him   
   >>>>>>>>try to defend his beliefs, but he is most likely as afraid to try as   
   >>>>>>>>he is with a number of similar absurd sounding ideas that he   
   >>>>>>>>wants to promote. He also insists that animals are incapable   
   >>>>>>>>of feeling pride,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Then I take it you would have no objection to   
   >>>>>>>the proposition that animals are capable of   
   >>>>>>>rational thinking that in itself can recognise its   
   >>>>>>>own value by inference alone.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    You invent any stupid ass thing that you feel like   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>You're of the opinion that animals feel pride, I   
   >>>>>didn't invent that. Ability to feel pride requires   
   >>>>>the faculty of knowing "one's own proper   
   >>>>>dignity or value; self-respect."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Having self respect I would agree with,   
   >>>   
   >>>And you selfishly show a contempt for that   
   >>>concept of self-respect every time you have   
   >>>an animal farmed and slaughtered for your   
   >>>mere taste for their flesh,   
   >>   
   >>    No.   
   >   
   >You've asserted that animals feel pride and have   
   >self-respect, and while I disagree that animals   
   >hold these human qualities, you, nevertheless,   
   >believe they do hold them. When having beings   
   >with such human qualities farmed and slaughtered   
   >capriciously for mere taste, you show a contempt   
   >for those qualities. Never mind the animal, for   
   >the sake of this discussion; it's the contempt you   
   >show for something *good* that's under scrutiny   
   >here, and how this contempt casts a doubt upon   
   >your fitness as a moral agent.   
   >   
   >>>if indeed animals do have it, and they don't.   
   >>   
   >>    Some do   
   >   
   >Which?   
   >   
   >>and some don't   
   >   
   >None do.   
   [...]   
   >Did you get that, Harrison?   
      
       Yes. It means one of the following:   
      
   1. animals can't feel pride, so your bitching is meaningless   
   2. some animals can feel pride but you are too stupid to   
       understand that, and so of course you are also too stupid   
       to discuss it.   
      
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