XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.dogs.health, misc.rural   
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   On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:48:33 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:24:58 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
   >>On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:03:56 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:30:10 +0100, Derek  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>Answer the question and tell me which animals   
   >>>>feel pride. You tried to ridicule others for failing   
   >>>>to at the start of this thread, and now you're   
   >>>>doing exactly that yourself: failing to explain   
   >>>>which animals do and why.   
   >>>   
   >>>    Birds do.   
   >>   
   >>Then why do you breed cocks to fight each other   
   >>to the death, and why is this not a show of utter   
   >>contempt for these allegedly prideful birds,   
   >   
   >    Because they like it.   
      
   You have no valid argument to support that claim,   
   and no grounds to EVER expect an animal abuser   
   like yourself to be taken seriously while attempting   
   to debate animal-related issues on these animal-   
   related forums. You're disgraced beyond redemption.   
      
   >>>Dogs   
   >>   
   >>Do you condone dog fighting as well as cock   
   >>fighting?   
   >   
   >    No. If you want to know why, then you must make   
   >an attempt to figure out why for yourself first.   
      
   Being that you have no valid argument to support   
   your claim that prideful cocks "like" to fight each   
   other to the death for your amusement, you have   
   no valid argument for excluding dogs from fighting   
   each other, either. You abuse animals to their deaths   
   for mere enjoyment and offer no reason why you   
   would exclude other animals from this abuse, so I   
   can only assume that you DO condone dog fighting   
   but daren't admit to it on a public forum.   
      
   >>>and cats do. Probably most   
   >>>mammals are capable of it, even if the conditions   
   >>>never arise to trigger that feeling in some particular   
   >>>animals who are capable of feeling it.   
   >>   
   >>Then your diet on these allegedly prideful animals   
   >>is truly immoral while asserting your own "proper   
   >>dignity or value", Harrison.   
   >   
   >    No.   
      
   Absolutely yes, Harrison.   
      
   [..]   
   >>>>Your claim is that animals feel pride, yet now   
   >>>>you're only willing to claim "some" animals can   
   >>>>feel it. Explain why some can and why some   
   >>>>cannot.   
   >>>   
   >>>    It would have to do with the abilities of the type   
   >>>of animal in general,   
   >>   
   >>And those abilities will of course include "A sense   
   >>of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect."   
   >>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pride   
   >>   
   >>Something which you've hitherto claimed to be   
   >>meaningless.   
   >   
   >    It is.   
      
   To you, obviously, being an animal abuser and all.   
      
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