XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.dogs.health, misc.rural   
   From: dwrightsr@alltel.net   
      
   dh@. wrote in news:s6fid1peu5mdu4j05do8en8e9r0t7217gv@4ax.com:   
      
      
   (snip)   
      
   >     If you can explain how human emotions   
   > can be projected into the brains of animals,   
   > causing them to appear to experience   
   > emotions they really are not capable of, then   
   > you can make scientific history yourself.   
   > Some internal change in the animals causes   
   > them to change their behavior. If you don't   
   > think it's what it clearly appears to be, and   
   > say you don't believe it's human projection   
   > somehow taking over control of their behavior   
   > either, then what exactly do you think does   
   > cause the change?   
      
   I think that you are barking up the wrong tree here. When one claims   
   'anthropomorphism', it has nothing to do with 'projecting' a human's   
   thoughts into the brain of the animal, but, simply 'attributing to the   
   animal' the same properties as those of the human. No control of their   
   behavior at all is involved.   
      
   However, that's not the main point. What I have tried to show is that the   
   examination of *all* emotions in humans as well as animals can only be   
   based on the *same* mechanism that the skeptics who cry 'anthropomorphism'   
   use themelves to examine the emotions of other humans. *All* emotions,   
   animal or human, are 'inside-the-skin' and can *not* be experienced   
   directly by another. They *think* that they can because they have learned   
   symbols, which by common agreement, *appear* to mean the same.   
      
   I challenged those here to a test which would have demonstrated this. No   
   one is able to or has bothered to take that challenge.   
      
   --   
   There are two ways to slide easily through life: Namely, to believe   
   everything, or to doubt everything;   
   both ways save us from thinking.   
                             Alfred Korzybski, _Manhood of Humanity_ (1921)   
      
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