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   rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
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   Barneys first experience with his reflection came when I went to an ATM   
   machine.  He saw his reflection and totally flipped out at the other dog.   
   Over time he came to understand that this other dog in the glass wasn't mean   
   and he didn't have to go into attack mode........LOL  Brandy never paid much   
   attention to mirrors or reflections.   
      
   Celeste   
      
    wrote in message news:0utoh1hvc5h1oagm7seah2tgg0g86vebu4@4ax.com...   
   >     From what little I've seen about it so far, it looks   
   > to me like some people actually believe dogs are not   
   > aware of themselves simply because they don't appear   
   > to recognise their reflection in a mirror. To me that only   
   > means they don't understand a mirror, and has absolutely   
   > nothing to do with whether or not they have a mental   
   > concept of themselves.   
   >   
   >     The facts that they have a mental concept of their   
   > objects, their territory, their urine, their body, etc, are   
   > all indications that they have a mental concept of   
   > themselves, imo.   
   >   
   >     The fact that they are aware of different individual   
   > beings is a very strong indication that they are aware   
   > of themselves as an individual also imo, especially   
   > when considered along with the fact that they have   
   > a mental concept of the other things they encounter.   
   >   
   >     Question: Has anyone ever managed to get a dog   
   > to understand that it can see its reflection in a mirror,   
   > and if so, did it appear to experience a great revelation   
   > about its own existence at the instant it learned to do so?   
      
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