XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish,   
   rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:34:42 -0400, Logic316  wrote:   
      
   >David,   
   >you need to stop looking for fights and to get a formal education - your   
   >lack of comprehension of the most basic scientific procedures and   
   >established philosophical principles makes you unqualified to adequately   
   >handle any debate about consciousness, self-awareness, or experiments   
   >measuring animal intelligence in general.   
   >   
   >- Logic316   
      
       The mirror test shows an individual's ability to understand reflection.   
   If an animal never understands that a mirror can show a reflection of   
   itself, that doesn't mean that it has no concept of itself. It simply means   
   that is doesn't have a mental concept of a reflection of itself...it always   
   believes the reflection is of a different being. I would certainly agree it   
   shows they don't have self recognition, but that doesn't mean they have   
   no concept of themselves. There are things to indicate that they do,   
   but as yet I've seen nothing to indicate that they don't.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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