[continued from previous message]   
      
   you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training   
   methods effectively.   
      
   Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is   
   recommended and given only by deranged humans.   
      
   Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking   
   dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.  Dr. Von   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)