XPost: alt.cats, alt.pets.cats, rec.pets.cats.health+behav   
   XPost: rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
   From: efamaaea@bigpond.net.au   
      
   Jason James  wrote in message   
   news:4329f877@news.comindico.com.au...   
   >   
   > "A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet"   
   >  wrote in message   
   > news:1126821699.158511.220890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   > > HOWEDY Jeff,   
   > >   
   > > Jeff Dege wrote:   
   > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:12:56 -0500, shelly wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > one thing that bothers me about Shining Path groupies is that   
   > > > > there was a recentish thread in *breeds in which someone who   
   > > > > generally touts "kind and gentle" training methods stated that   
   > > > > her nearly two-year-old dog still did not walk reliably on a   
   > > > > loose lead.  i fail to see how that's either kind or gentle.   
   > >   
   > > That's curious, shelly's dogs got the same problem.   
   > >   
   > > > What finally convinced me that the purely positive purists   
   > >   
   > > You mean the bribery and avoidance "trainers", Jeff?   
   >   
   > You seem to have a preconceived notion many owners are complete deadbeats,   
   > where in reality most are simply trying to do the right thing.   
   >   
   > Out in the bush here there are lots of nasty snakes including the   
   Australian   
   > Brown snake which has enough powerful venom in one bite to kill 30 adults.   
   > Yet despite this, there have been no stories of dogs or cats being bitten.   
   > It must happen, it's just not regular enough to be common knowledge.   
   >   
   > I think cats know when they are up against something they can't handle.   
   The   
   > same applies, I suspect, to dogs.  I know of quite a few weekend farmers   
   on   
   > 15 to 25 acre farms who have had no trouble with the ubiquitous Brown or   
   > Black snake (the latter of which has enough venom to kill with one bite).   
   >   
   > These snakes do share a common trait ie, they take -off when they hear   
   > something large coming,..until they are cornered,..then it's another   
   story.   
   >   
   > Jason   
   >   
   >   
   I agree...very rarely do dogs and cats in the country get   
   bitten....sometimes the more, well, unintelligent breeds such as boxers do   
   (no offence to boxer fans) Our dogs usually hang back and bark, and wait for   
   us to do the dirty work! The cats are too smart to even notice a snake, of   
   course.   
      
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