XPost: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.breeds   
   XPost: alt.pets.dogs.labrador   
   From: dontmailmeillmailyou@abc.com   
      
   "Amir E." wrote in message   
   news:GltZe.154712$Ji4.2262@fed1read03...   
   > Well well well....!   
   > It's the "NEW ALIAS OF THE HOUR" again.....   
   > "nearly" 45 yrs????????   
   > I'm kind of curious to find-out just how "nearly" YOURS is.......!   
   > Oh, I almost forgot: "howEdy"??????? Good thing they don't charge by the   
   > letter around these parts.....   
   >   
   > wrote in message   
   > news:1127610323.853885.51280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   > HOWEDY Dana,   
   >   
   > Dana wrote:   
   > > What you have written here seems to be a waste of bandwith to me.   
   >   
   > You mean because it proves EVERY THING you've   
   > been taught about dogs and behavior to be DEAD   
   > WRONG, Dana.   
   >   
   > > I am not inexperienced in canine behavior   
   >   
   > I've got nearly forty five years professional   
   > experience specializing in temperament and   
   > behavior problems in mostly giant breed working   
   > dogs and protection training.   
   >   
   > > and what you are suggesting sounds like the   
   > > rantings of a mental midget looking for attention.   
   >   
   > You were almost talked into GETTIN RID OF your dog   
   > by a proven dog abusing mental case and her pals.   
   >   
   > > Good luck in your efforts.   
   >   
   > "Luck is for SUCKERS", The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.   
   >   
   > > I consider the advice and information of the people   
   > > posting here far more reliable than someone that calls   
   > > himself a behavior forensic...whatever that is.   
   >   
   > Yeah. They HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER their favorite   
   > breed to PROTECT the REPUTATION of their big hearted   
   > FIGHTING DOGS, Dana. They're PATHETIC EXXXCUSES for   
   > human beings.   
   >   
   > > Dana   
   >   
   > "You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When you lie   
   > with pigs you'll awaken STINKIN like 'm. You're only   
   > as good as your word. When you get bagged for lying   
   > you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{); ~ ) >   
   >   
   > Punishment Deranges Behavior.   
   > "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function   
   > EXCEPT   
   > To DERANGE Behaviors.   
   >   
   > Here's professor dermer pryor:   
   >   
   > From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)   
   > Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual   
   > Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST   
   >   
   > And how do we know this aspect of his   
   > advice is right?   
   >   
   > Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.   
   > His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.   
   >   
   > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the   
   > few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,   
   > ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),   
   >   
   > --Marshall   
   >   
   > "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.   
   > But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and   
   > shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases   
   > then you will have achieved too things.   
   >   
   > First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;   
   > and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.   
   >   
   > How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the   
   > minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted   
   > biting.   
   >   
   > **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************   
   >   
   > When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild   
   > forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth   
   > closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came   
   > before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).   
   >   
   > "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"   
   > to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall   
   > dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at   
   > UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.   
   >   
   > BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!   
   >   
   > That's INSANE. Ain't it.   
   >   
   > Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:   
   >   
   > "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should   
   > Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.   
   > God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,   
   > Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.   
   >   
   > From: "Marshall Dermer"    
   > To: "The Puppy Wizard"   
   >    
   > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM   
   >   
   > Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard   
   > Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,   
   >   
   > I have, of late, come to recognize your genius   
   > and now must applaud your attempts to save   
   > animals from painful training procedures.   
   > You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,   
   > who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to   
   > alert the world to animal abuse.   
   >   
   > We are lucky to have you, and more people should   
   > come to their senses and support your valuable   
   > work.   
   >   
   > Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit   
   > charity to fund your important work?   
   > Have you thought about holding a press conference   
   > so others can learn of your highly worthwhile   
   > and significant work?   
   >   
   > In closing, my only suggestion is that you   
   > try to keep your messages short for most   
   > readers may refuse to read a long message   
   > even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.   
   > I wish you well in your endeavors.   
   >   
   > --Marshall Dermer   
   >   
   >   
   > Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,   
   > No Good Charlatan,"   
   >   
   > < AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With   
   > A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile   
   > Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult   
   > Dog Lovers.   
   >   
   > 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize   
   > A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.   
   >   
   > >Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective   
   > >Date: 02/05/1999   
   > >Author: Robert Crim    
   > > You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had   
   > > any idea of what dogs and dog people were about   
   > > you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing   
   > > and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not   
   > > for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet   
   > > gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably   
   > > be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile   
   > > of shit you really are   
   >   
   > Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?   
   >   
   > Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!   
   >   
   > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   
   > --   
   > Dogman   
   > mailto:dog...@i1.net   
   > http://www.i1.net/~dogman   
   >   
   > =====================   
   >   
   > > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus   
   >   
   > <"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>   
   >   
   > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.   
   > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and   
   > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!   
   > > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs   
   > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual.   
   >   
   > Robert Crim writes:   
   >   
   > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs   
   > since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,   
   > understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by   
   > John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe   
   > and use it.   
   >   
   > This naive child would like to say thank you to both   
   > Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage   
      
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