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   I had a dog once but he shitted in the house so he was promptly kicked   
   outdoors.   
   Now the yard has little land mines all over the place.   
   Watch Your step!   
    wrote in   
   message news:1134667250.617280.226850@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   HOWEDY People!   
      
   drgutsydorightdog@yahoo.com wrote:   
   > yeah I did I bet my life on it as you like3 to say to intimidate---   
   > BET YOUR LIFE ON IT JERRY?   
      
   DHOWEBLE or NUTHIN:   
      
   From: IHateToSayItButITOLDYO...@Inbox.Com   
   Date: 14 Dec 2005 22:30:21 -0800   
   Subject: Re: Can someone tell me what is going on here?   
      
   HOWEDY matty,   
      
   Rocky wrote:   
   > "buzzsaw" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:   
      
   > > I know that we have one member that is always at odds with others.   
      
   That'd be The Amazing Puppy Wizard bein "AT ODDS" with the   
   lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long   
   term incurable MENTAL CASES, like you, matty.   
      
   > There are no members here.   
      
   Don't be a nit picker, matty. We got REGULAR posters   
   who CONsider themselves "MEMBERS" of The Amazing   
   Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY   
   SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method   
   Manual Forums i.e., The "AIN'T NO CABAL" Cabal <{) ; ~ ) >   
      
   > > But, now I cannot even seem to follow some posts   
   > > as they go astray so easily, and it is a discussion /   
   > > argument between two people. They it has nothing to do   
   > > with dog behaviors?!? That is going beyond our resident   
   > > friend.   
      
   > Killfile them,   
      
   HOWE COME, matty? He / she / they AIN'T TELLIN   
   folks NOT to HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs   
   like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard does <{) ; ~ ) >   
      
   > ignore them,   
      
   HOWE COME you didn't tell timmy to IGNORE diddler   
   when she offered to come over to his HOWES to JERK   
   CHOKE and SHOCK his dog for chasin squirrels, matty?   
      
   > or leave.   
      
   HOWE COME you didn't tell timmy to LEAVE pryor to   
   learnin abHOWET HOWE to JERK CHOKE and SHOCK   
   his dog, matty?   
      
   > The first is usually the best solution -   
      
   That NEVER works, matty.   
      
   > depending on your needs.   
      
   timmy NEEDS to learn HOWE to HURT his dog MORE   
   EFFECTIVELY than diddler and her MENTAL CASE   
   pals can despite their SHOCK COLLARS, matty.   
      
   > > Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense -   
      
   RIGHT. But JERKING CHOKING and SHOCKING   
   dogs DOES make sense to DOG ABUSING PUNK   
   THUG COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG   
   TERM INCUREABLE MENTAL CASES.   
      
    DON'T IT, matty.   
      
   > > showdog would be one of them.   
   > > I am a little confused.   
      
   > You've been around long enough to not be confused.   
      
   Then HOWE COME he CAN'T TRAIN HIS DOG, matty?   
      
   > If you choose to not ignore or killfile obvious trolling,   
   > leave if such posts are a problem for you.   
      
   RIGHT. HOWEver, HURTIN dogs AIN'T a PROBLEM.   
      
   IS IT, matty.   
      
   ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE   
   CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES POST   
   HERE abHOWETS.   
      
   Here's YOU and YOUR PALS, the liars dog abusers cowards   
   and active acute chronic long term incurable mental cases you're   
   askin for advice:   
      
    "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message   
    news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...   
    >   
    > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:   
    > > When you compare using sound and   
    > > praise to solve a problem with using   
    > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment   
    > > how can you criticize the use of sound?   
      
    > There's nothing more to be said, then.   
    > You've made up your mind.   
      
    > But you've impressed me by mentioning   
    > that you're a professor with 30 years of   
    > experience.   
      
    > So, can you cite some examples of   
    > people recommending "shock collars,   
    > hanging, and punishment"?   
    > --   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
    >> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog   
    >> will often make the dog either aggressive   
    >> or a fear biter, neither of which we want   
    >> to do.   
    >   
    > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.   
    > No matter what Jerry Howe states.   
    >   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
    > BUT, giving you the benefit of the   
    > doubt, please provide a quote (an   
    > original quote, not from one of Jerry   
    > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that   
    > shows a regular poster promoting or   
    > using an abusive form of training.   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
    > So, can you cite some examples of   
    > people recommending "shock collars,   
    > hanging, and punishment"?   
    > --   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
    > What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of   
    > which you have read so many. While you're going   
    > through them, point out those which recommend   
    > shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.   
    > --   
    > -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
    > So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.   
    > Thank you for your contribution.   
    >-   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
    >   
      
    "Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message   
    news:Xns92FE730764918australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...   
      
    > Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:   
    > > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.   
      
    > Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.   
      
    > --   
    > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.   
      
   From: "Deltones"    
   Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800   
   Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods   
      
   Mary Healey wrote:   
   > I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least 5   
   > years to support your initial contention. You're 0 for 2, so far.   
      
   That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm   
   really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So far   
   we have:   
      
   Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As Neo would say: Woah, there is no   
   choke.   
      
   Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin man. Remember   
   Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?   
      
   E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my dog look so   
   pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.   
      
   So on with the fun. Taken from the "Collars" thread, started by Perry   
   Templeton June 20 2005   
      
   Denis   
      
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   On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@claque.net, wrote:   
      
    > What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?   
    > Lucy   
      
    one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,   
    and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.   
    OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation   
    warrant it.   
    --   
    Janet B   
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   And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same   
   thread.   
      
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   167. Janet B   
    Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options   
      
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