On 4 Jan 2006 15:34:09 -0800 lyn62  whittled these words:   
   > Diane I find that you are very quick to judge........   
      
   Guilty as charged   
      
   > Yes I do have the   
   > information of the of both the dogs breeds, and have studied the line   
   > of both dogs.   
      
   Ok, so you have a good idea of the genetic health issues on each side.   
   You know that the parents and grandparents on each side have been screened   
   for the health issues important in the breed.  You have information on   
   other dogs in the line, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. That should allow you   
   to determine the risks of father / daughter breeding to result in   
   expression of whatever problem exists.  There isn't any such thing as a   
   line entirely clear of all problems so hopefully you have honest   
   information on where problems are known to exist.  And if you have done a   
   good job of research you will also know which dogs are questionable. Just   
   use the methods in Padgett's book on Canine Genetics.  Since you don't   
   share any of this information no one here can possibly provide you better   
   information than you yourself already have.   
      
   > I purchased my male 4 years ago with the intention of   
   > breeding with him.  The reason I do not mention the dog breed was   
   > deliberate (did not want to discriminate)   
      
   Your choice as to whether to offer relevant information or not.  Different   
   breeds have different rates of genetic health issues, and different   
   sigificance of the seriousness of those issues.   
      
   > The fact that I did not know   
   > the term inbreeding is because I never expected to find myself in this   
   > situation...   
      
   I fail to see how not anticipating a father daughter breeding is related   
   to not getting basic information on standard breeding practices.  You   
   should, for example, be familiar with the term "inbreeding coefficient"   
   Without understanding that term or its effect on breeding you are   
   handicapped in your ability to make good choices for breeding.   
      
   > It is the vet who has let me down.. I have done everything   
   > that a responsible dog breeder should do.   
      
   Your view of a responsible breeder and mine differ.   
      
   > You have obviously had   
   > experience with dog breeding and I am very greatful for the time you   
   > have taken to answer my posting.  This is just the beginning for me as   
   > a dog breeder, however I do hope to continue to breed dogs as I have a   
   > great love and passion for the particular breed of dog that I have.   
      
   Well all I can hope is that you will demonstrate some of that great love   
   and passion by spending quite a bit more time reading.  You should be   
   viewing some of the videos on dog structure and gait. Read the books on   
   structure. Read several books on canine genetics, read several on mating   
   and whelping. Then when you have the book knowledge start piecing that   
   together with learning research.  Detail out your pedigrees with the   
   health issues each dog in the pedigree has been screened for.  And if you   
   love the breed contribute to its improvement by ensuring that health   
   testing results are submitted to a health registry such as OFA.   
      
   > I   
   > also have many reference books on breeding however was unable to find   
   > any reference to inbreeding or interbreeding.   
      
   Hmmm - care to provide the title of a book on breeding that doesn't   
   mention inbreeding at all?  I suppose it is possible, but I'd sure like to   
   get a look at that book. I'll definetly want to make sure it isn't on any   
   list I offer if it doesn't explain father / daughter or similar close   
   breeding. Interbreeding would not be mentioned since it isn't a term   
   relevant to responsible breeding.   
      
   > I have made the long   
   > hard decision to put the outcome of my dogs mating in the hands of the   
   > gods (the god of dogs)   
      
   What other choice do you have if you won't spay her?  There are no   
   decisions where there are no alternatives.  This is what I found   
   frustrating about your post.  No information given was going to result in   
   any improved outcome.   
      
   > I guess my concern is if she is pregnant ... my   
   > concern is what to do with the puppies and what defects they will be   
   > born with.   
      
   Yes, but you see having "concern" doesn't get you anywhere unless you will   
   actually do something about it.  Right now you have choice (1) spay her,   
   or (2) bring the puppies into this world and face either having to kill   
   (put down) one or all, or place puppies that may later prove unsuited as   
   pets, or perhaps nothing wrong at all.  It is impossible to tell what the   
   risks are because you don't provide the information necessary.  Are all   
   the genetic risks going to be evident at birth - don't know, you won't   
   provide breed information.  Are the genetic risks ones likely to show up   
   at 6 months, a year, two years? Don't know, you won't provide the breed   
   information. But since knowing the risks won't make any change at all in   
   your actions it really doesn't matter what the risks are anyway.  Nothing   
   I say now is going to make any difference in the outcome.   
      
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