XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, re   
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   On 5 Apr 2006 20:21:59 -0700, rupertmccallum@yahoo.com wrote:   
      
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   >dh@. wrote:   
   >> On 3 Apr 2006 15:42:00 -0700, rupertmccallum@yahoo.com wrote:   
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   >> >dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> On 30 Mar 2006 23:12:43 -0800, rupertmccallum@yahoo.com wrote:   
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   >> >> >   
   >> >> >dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> >> On 29 Mar 2006 17:12:50 -0800, rupertmccallum@yahoo.com wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >nopEda@getitstraight.com wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2006, Goobernicus Gonad insisted:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> >Vegetarians are not the "enemies" of currently existing livestock:   
   >> >> >> >> > they don't want to inflict any harm on them at all.   
   >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >>     We're talking about "animal rights" activists here Goo, not all   
   >> >> >> >> vegetarians. "aras" would *kill* livestock Goober. Just as they   
   >> >> >> >> kill unwanted pets:   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >No they wouldn't.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >>     Try to think. Since they kill dogs and cats, they would kill   
   livestock   
   >> >> >> too. They probably started the latest European outbreak of foot and   
   >> >> >> mouth disease, since a container of it just happened to turn up   
   >> >> >> missing right before the outbreak. LOL, and if that's not suspicious   
   >> >> >> enough, we have Newkirk herself admitting that she "thinks" US   
   >> >> >> cattle would benefit from getting sick with it too! You people are not   
   >> >> >> sane.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >I'm not sure exactly what PETA's position on euthanasia is - I could   
   >> >> >try and find out for you. Animal rights activists do support euthanasia   
   >> >> >for animals who are so sick that their lives will be utterly miserable.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>     It seems anyone in favor of doing so for animals who can't decide   
   >> >> one way or the other, should at least be in favor of it for humans who   
   >> >> can decide what they want.   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> >Yes. People who are in favour of genuine euthanasia for animals are   
   >> >usually also in favour of assisted suicide for humans.   
   >> >   
   >> >> >I'm not sure whether some employees of PETA went beyond that. If they   
   >> >> >did, they probably did something which you wouldn't really say is   
   >> >> >consistent with an animal rights position. There's no reason to think   
   >> >> >animal rights activists would be in favour of killing livestock.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>     As yet there is only reason to believe they would.   
   >> >   
   >> >Nonsense. There is no such reason whatsoever.   
   >>   
   >>     Newkirk's insane insistence that hoof and mouth disease would   
   >> benefit US cattle, is all the reason anyone needs to understand that   
   >> "aras" would kill off livestock if they could.   
   >>   
   >   
   >No, it's not.   
      
       Yes it is. On top of that, I believe "aras" have started outbreaks in   
   Europe.   
      
   >>     For the sake of amusement, what do you think "aras" would do   
   >> with unwanted livestock if you don't believe they would kill them?   
   >>   
   >   
   >Free them where possible,   
      
       It's never a good idea, which is why we never hear of it being done.   
   "aras" would already be doing it if it were a good idea, but it's not, so   
   they don't. Duh.   
      
   >arranged for them to be cared for where not.   
      
       You have provided nothing at all. As yet, there is no reason at all   
   to believe the livestock would not be killed.   
      
   >> >> If you can provide   
   >> >> reason to believe they would not, then please include how they would   
   >> >> deal with them along with your example(s).   
   >> >   
   >> >My reason to believe they would not is that it's inconsistent with   
   >> >their principles.   
   >>   
   >>     No it's not, since their main objective is to eliminate domestic   
   animals.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Yes it is. Their objective is not to eliminate domestic animals, it is   
   >to eliminate exploitation of domenstic animals.   
      
       They want to eliminate animals raised for food.   
      
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