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   From: tea@signguestbook.ie   
      
   "Leif Erikson"  wrote in message new   
   :u462g.9672$i41.2411@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...   
   >   
   > pearl wrote:   
   > >  wrote in message news:1145601033.   
   00389.295940@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...   
   > >   
   > >>Okay, do you have a concrete suggestion for what I can replace rice   
   > >>with, together with evidence that it will actually achieve something?   
   > >>Yes or no?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > What did he show you .. something by a poster nymed "diderot"?   
   > >   
   > > I wrote a bona fide organic rice farmer a while back, and here is the   
   > > reply (permission to post in a public forum granted by the author) ..   
   >   
   > Lundberg Farms is a *huge* commercial operation, lest   
   > anyone get the idea this "bona fide organic rice   
   > farmer" is some soulful, bearded sandal-wearing son of   
   > the earth.  They grow MOSTLY non-organic rice, but   
   > recognizing a market of people who read religious   
   > nonsense into their food, they grow some organic rice   
   > as well.   
   >   
   > Their farming operations kill animals.  They make a big   
   > public-relations conscious to-do about moving some duck   
   > nests, but they *still* kill hundreds of thousands of   
   > other animals.  That's just the nature of rice farming.   
   >   
   > Lundberg calls diderot's text "an elaborate hoax", but   
   > he has never met or spoken with diderot, and...HE NEVER   
   > REFUTES the essence of what diderot wrote.  Diderot   
   > wrote that in harvesting rice, a veritable green wash   
   > of chopped up frog sprayed over the combine.  Lundberg   
   > writes in response to this that his rice is harvested   
   > dry, presumably saying that his paddies are no longer   
   > frog habitat because they have been drained.  Not all   
   > rice *is* harvested dry, in the first place.  In the   
   > second, Lundberg's fields *were* covered with water   
   > before he drains them, and those flooded paddies draw   
   > countless thousands if not millions of amphibians and   
   > other water-loving animals.  When the fields are   
   > drained, the animals die.  At the time the fields   
   > *were* flooded, there were animals living in them that   
   > prefer dry land for habitat.  Those animals were killed   
   > by the flooding.   
   >   
   > Lundberg's fearful and defensive sounding response is   
   > entirely self serving, and doesn't refute what diderot   
   > wrote.   
      
   IPSE DIXIT -- and YOU have *NO credibility*, ball.   
      
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