XPost: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dogs.pitbull   
   XPost: alt.pets.dogs.labrador   
   From: pstech@smart.net   
      
    wrote   
   in message news:1182436942.850401.28420@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...   
   > HOWEDY Paul,   
   >   
   > On Jun 21, 1:31 am, "Paul E. Schoen"  wrote:   
   >    
   >   
   >> Someone called Animal Control, and they took her   
   >> to the Pound. Helene contacted her friend, who   
   >> arranged for us to rescue the poor pooch, so today   
   >> at noon we picked her up. She warmed up to me fairly   
   >> quickly, and I took her for a short walk on which she   
   >> relieved herself of a lot of poo and pee.   
   >   
   > You should have started her off on your "walk" doin   
   > the Hot & Cold EXXXORCISE for a few minutes till she   
   > was paying attention to you and then started into the   
   > Family Pack Leadership EXXXORCISE and installed the   
   > come command as a conditional reflex.   
   >   
      
   Well, I have not yet learned "Howe" to do that, and I didn't want to risk   
   doing it wrong. Also, I was only asked to go along as "muscles" to help   
   with physically handling the dog, so did not want to interfere. Howe-ever,   
   I was able to control her without using any forceful methods, except to   
   restrain her from getting loose. She was not trying to escape, but was   
   anxious to enjoy her freedom from confinement, and to do her business.   
      
   >> She is a little bit fearful of touch,   
   >   
   > Then you shouldn't be touching her unless   
   > she comes over to be touched. You'd have   
   > got her over all that had you done the   
   > preliminary EXXXORCISES straight off the   
   > bat:   
      
   She probably had been abused, and only flinched a little bit when one of us   
   touched her unexpectedly from behind. When she saw us first, she was OK.   
   >   
   >> so sometimes she flinches, but shows no signs of   
   >> aggression. She was shedding profusely, and large   
   >> clumps of fur came off as we petted her, and we   
   >> removed about a dozen ticks. We named her "Lucky",   
   >> as indeed she is. If not for us, she would almost   
   >> certainly have been sent to the bridge by now.   
   >   
   > You mean the dog rescuers at the humane   
   > society woulda MURDERED her <{}: ~ ( >   
   >   
   This was the city Pound, not the SPCA, but her fate would likely have been   
   the same either place. Seems like every place is full of cast away critters   
   :(   
      
   >> Lucky reluctantly got into the back seat of the car   
   >> with me (probably her first car ride, except for the   
   >> Pound wagon), while Helene drove out of the city.   
   >   
   >>From what I've read of Helen, her thinkin abHOWET   
   > HOWE dogs an kats should be handled is quite toxic.   
   > You'd do well to teach her my methods.   
   >   
   Later that day, after seeing her and her friend scream and holler at the   
   dogs when they had their barking match, I tried to explain some of the   
   basics to her. It seemed so obvious that their excited and negative tone   
   would just encourage them to continue. Jake was probably protecting his   
   home turf, while Lucky was defending her new friends Helene and me from the   
   threat.   
      
   >> She sat very nicely, and leaned against me while I   
   >> petted her. She seemed to relax and enjoy the one   
   >> hour ride to a place in the country, where Helene's   
   >> friend has two horses, an old dog and a puppy, and   
   >> at least 30 cats and kittens, some only a few days   
   >> old, and all rescued.   
   >   
   > Sounds nice.   
   >   
   >> When Lucky and the big old dog Jake locked eyes   
   >> through the fence, they both engaged in a ferocious   
   >> display of barking and show of teeth,   
   >   
   > Opposite sex aggression is THE MOST ABNORMAL,   
   > UNNATURAL behavior in the history of creation.   
   > UNLESS they've been TRAINED to aggress upon any   
   > trespasser, like HOWE my own German Shepherd   
   > Bitch chased off a suitor who'd jumped my 4'   
   > fence when she was in heat <{}: ~ ) >   
   >   
   >> but we kept them apart and they settled down quickly.   
   >   
   > You should have distracted and praised the first   
   > instance of barking or suspiciHOWES behavior and   
   > they'd have made pals NEARLY INSTANTLY.   
   >   
   I did praise and speak softly and calmly to Lucky, which seemed to help.   
      
   >> We had hoped to be able to have Lucky stay in a   
   >> fenced area until we could get her into the Fallston   
   >> Animal Rescue Movement (FARM), but when left alone   
   >> she attempted and nearly succeeded in climbing the   
   >> fence and escaping.   
   >   
   > NO PROBLEMO! You can train ANY dog not to attempt   
   > to climb fences or escape their perimeter NEARLY   
   > INSTANTLY simply by distracting and praising EACH   
   > glance or step towards at the prohibited border.   
   >   
   >> So, we had to make alternate plans,   
   >   
   > No, you FAILED to FOLLOW THE METHOD   
   > PRECISELY on several counts from the git   
   > go, Paul.   
   >   
   >> and we took her to my vet's (Companion Animal   
   >> Care), where she will get necessary shots,   
   >   
   > If she's been livin on the streets she's PROBABLY   
   > IMMUNE to most DIS-EASES. Perhaps your hard   
   > earned dough woulda been better spent investing   
   > it in titer tests to determine what her NEEDS for   
   > vaccinations ARE.   
   >   
   >> an exam, and boarding for two nights   
   >   
   > ETHICKAL veterinarians DO NOT BOARD HEELTHY critters.   
   >   
   >> while we figure out what to do next.   
   >   
   > You shoulda stopped at a couple of parking lots   
   > or parks on the way back to your HOWES and   
   > repeated the H&C and FPLX and installation of   
   > the come command and taken her straight back   
   > and introduced her to Muttley and her new HOWES.   
   >   
   >> Now, we are trying to come up with a workable plan.   
   >> I like the dog, and it would be nice if I could keep   
   >> her, but I don't know how Muttley would react to   
   >> another dog.   
   >   
   > THAT'S ABSURD! Dogs an kats DO NOT HAVE   
   > temperament and behavior problems that AIN'T   
   > CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, Paul.   
   >   
   >> They are about the same size, and she even looks a   
   >> little bit like Muttley. My friend and I started on   
   >> the fence project on the hill, but the heat and   
   >> humidity forced us to stop for the day and attempt   
   >> to continue next week. Even if it were complete, it   
   >> would probably not be suitable for long term   
   >> unsupervised containment, being composed of 4' high   
   >> goat fence, and located quite a hike from the house.   
   >   
   > That's ABSURD! You can TRAIN ANY DOG not to WANT   
   > to ESCAPE your perimeter, fence or no fence, NEARLY   
   > INSTANTLY.   
   >   
   >> I could probably tie her up outside, as I did with   
   >> Muttley when I first got him, but that is not a very   
   >> good option either.   
   >   
   > Perhaps it's the linear thinking required to be an electronics   
   > engineer that prohibits you from EXXXTRAPOLATING on the   
   > METHOD, Paul.   
   >   
   > NUTHIN CHANGES, Paul.   
   >   
   > It's ALL THE SAME SAME, you just gotta IMPROVISE   
   > to suit the individual species and its environment:   
   >   
   >   
   >> I think she would be OK inside the house,   
   >   
   > Duh-Oh! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! DON'T DO THIS   
   > TO ME, Paulie!! ALL temperament and behavior   
   > problems ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, NOT DOGS.   
   >   
   >> but I would not risk that unless she and Muttley   
      
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