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   Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_ to Janet B   
   Re: Puppy Update (1/7)   
   08 Feb 09 12:21:44   
   
   aboratory@HotMail.Com   
   From: Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Labor   
   tory@HotMail.Com   
      
   HOWEDY matty, you pathetic miserable stinkin   
   rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward   
   active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant   
   maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE and illegal doggy   
   day care operator FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,   
      
   "Rocky" <3dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message   
   news:Fri9BAC5D27FDE63australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...   
   > "kat"  said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:   
   >   
   >> Well I took the advice and kept Shadow & Remi outside as   
   >> long as possible and then we all went inside.  Shadow is   
   >> having nothing to do with her.  He growls whenever she   
   >> comes near him.  Of course she is enamored of him and stops   
   >> whatever she is doing to watch him intently when he is in   
   >> her vicinity!   
   >   
   > What does she do when Shadow growls?   
      
   She probably goes into neuro psychogenic   
   APOPLECTIC SEIZURES like HOWE your   
   own apupoleptic dogs got <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   > It took grumpy Friday a year before he played with baby Maybe,   
      
   BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!   
      
   And *you* are givin ADVICE, matty? YOUR OWN   
   DOGS GOT  THE SAME PROBLEMS FOR THE   
   SAME REASONS <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   > even though she spoke dog well.   
      
   That's ABSURD and INSANE, matty <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   >  Old guy Rocky, OTOH, played well with her from the beginning.   
      
   "Every dog is different," eh, matty?   
      
   > If Shadow only growls (and probably does the lip-lifting thing)   
      
   THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS GET neuro psychogenic   
   APOPLECTIC SEIZURES like HOWE your own apupoleptic   
   dogs got <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   > while Remi is puppying, I'd leave them to sort it -   
      
   That so?   
      
   > naturally with supervision.   
      
   Naturally <{}: ~ ) >   
      
   Hey matty? REMEMBER when you was SUPERVISING   
   your "STUDENT" in agility class who wouldn't release her   
   toy? You HEELPED an offered to TRADE it for a TREAT.   
      
   The dog bit your hand an took the entire bag of treats AND   
   swallowed the TOT IT wouldn't release an COST WON   
   THOWESAND DOLLARS at the vet to have her opened up.   
      
   THANKS TO YOUR ADVICE an HEELP <{}: ~ ) >   
      
   >> Is there something else we could be doing to get her to   
   >> sleep through the night or is she just too young yet (7   
   >> weeks today).  We did the alarm clock/stuffed toy/lots of   
   >> exercise thing.  I feel like we have a newborn again :)   
   >   
   > She's too young to make it through the night   
   > without a pee break (it's always at 2am).   
      
   That's SHEER IDIOCY, matty.   
      
   >  I'd avoid putting stuff into her bed at night -   
      
   That so, matty? You're a IMBECILE, a LIAR, a DOG   
   ABUSER, a COWARD, a FRAUD, and a MENTAL CASE.   
      
   > nights are for sleeping.   
      
   That so?   
      
   > I know that the alarm clock and toys are meant   
   > as litter/mom substitutions, but that's your job now.   
      
   INDEED?   
      
   >  If you're crating her at night, where is she?   
      
   You think the pup's mommy / litter substitute will   
   ENJOY sleepin in the puppy's crate with IT, matty?   
      
   > --   
   > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.   
      
   HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin   
   lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active acute   
   chronic life long incurable mental case and professional   
   illegal doggy day care FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,   
      
   "Rocky" <3dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message   
   news:Fri9BA1F383544BBaustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...   
   > Nessa  said in rec.pets.dogs.health:   
   >   
   >> REWARD does not have to be food.   
      
   INDEEDY <{}: ~ ) >   
      
   "REWARDS" may include PATTING, eh, matty <{}: ~ ) >   
      
   AN THAT DISTRACTS THE DOG FROM HIS LESSON   
   and may cause persistent aggression if witheld, therefore EXXXXPERT TRAINERS   
   DO NOT give "REWARDS" or   
   physical contact while trainin <{}: ~ ) >   
      
   > There are way too many trainers out there who   
   > purport various one size fits all methodologies.   
      
   That so, matty? Seems there's ONLY WON "trainer out   
   there who purport various one size fits all methodologies"   
   on accHOWENTA EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian   
   and Ericksonian BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION techniques   
   NEVER CHANGE otherWIZE they'd NOT BE SCIENTIFIC.   
      
                         WOULD THEY, matty <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   > Nothing but treats!  No treats!   
      
   Withholding rewards can cause aggression,   
   seizures, phobias of all sorts and OCD'S.   
      
   "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative   
   reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING   
   THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.   
   Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated   
   how we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not   
    received is experienced as a punishment and can produce   
   extensive and persistent aggression," (Azrin et al, 1966).   
      
   > I love working with multi-motivated dogs,   
      
   That so, matty?   
      
   > especially when one type of reward is consistently   
   > more well received than another.   
      
   That's ABSURD, matty. Hey matty? You remember when   
   you TRIED to get a dog in your imbecillic agility class to   
   give up ITS toy? You offered to BRIBE it an IT took your   
   whole bag of treats AND swallowed the toy CONsequating   
   in more than WON THOWESAND DOLLARS of veterinary   
   surgery for your "student"?   
      
   Oh, AND the dog BIT YOU, to boot.   
      
   Care to see it ALL in YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY?   
      
   > For example, Friday likes treats - but he *loves* playing   
   > tug.  I exploit this disparity and selfishly manipulate my   
   > dog to do my bidding.   
      
   Yeah. And if THAT DON'T WORK you just jerk an   
   choke an shock them till they DO <{}: ~ ( >   
      
   > I've known Janet for over 10 years   
      
   janet has been takin ANTI-PSYCHOTIC   
   MEDICATION for twenty years.   
      
   > and I think that I would have noticed if she was   
   > one of those insane "no food at all" myopic trainers.   
      
   Of curse not~!   
      
   Janet B wrote:   
   > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B   
   > , clicked their heels and said:   
   > Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I   
   > beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc?  Thanks   
   > for your clarification.   
      
    responding to my own post, I had to go back and look   
    at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all   
   accused of doing:   
      
    "screaming, choking,   
      
    shocking, pinching, beating   
     the living crap out of your dogs"   
      
     Scream?  no   
      
     Choke? no   
      
     Shock?  e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that   
     Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort   
     by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first   
     hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing.   
      
    Beat the living crap out of?  hardly - no hitting exists   
      
                      -------------------------   
      
                   Here's HOWE COME:   
      
    Here's janet's CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:   
                http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt   
      
       "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather   
       choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a   
       stern correction" --Janet Boss   
      
   J1Boss"  wrote in message   
      
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