From: james.m.gibson@gmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:11:56 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:   
   >  wrote:    
   > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Michael Falkner  wrote:    
   > >    
   > >> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:48:42?PM UTC-7, Eric Ramon wrote:    
   > >>    
   > >>> Kliavkoff has been a disaster but lots of people are being polite and    
   > >>> not saying so. Under his watch USC and UCLA has signed onto the Big    
   > >>> 10-12-14-16 and he's failed to get any media deal. That thing he said    
   > >>> "today is about football" was telling. There's nothing in sight.    
   > >>    
   > >> No, the Pac-12 is finished and the death knell was the moment USC and   
   UCLA jumped.    
   > >>    
   > > Kind of ironic and also karma since it was the PAC10 that started all    
   > > the poaching and huge conferences into high gear.    
   > >   
   > Was it though? IMO it all started with Penn State to the B1G and Arkansas    
   > and South Carolina to the SEC.    
   >    
   > And the first poaching of the modern era was the Big 8 destroying the SWC.    
   > The PAC didn’t poach anyone until 15 years after that.   
      
   Maybe he meant when the Pac-8 poached Arizona and Arizona State from the WAC   
   to become the Pac-10.  But then again, when Arizona and Arizona State helped   
   found the WAC, they helped crush both the Border and Skyline conferences.  But   
   the Border Conference    
   was already down a significant Texas presence when Texas Tech left the Border   
   Conference for the SWC.  That's where I'm starting my blame.   
      
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