From: kolson@freedomnet.org   
      
   On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, joe@mich.com wrote:   
   > On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Con Reeder, unhyphenated American  wrote:   
   >>> On 2023-08-22, xyzzy  wrote:   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are going to   
   >>>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge an   
   electric car?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment than   
   gas   
   >>>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE   
   >>>> engines.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles, increased   
   >>> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for widespread   
   >>> adoption, etc.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the   
   Argonne   
   >> National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out in   
   >> the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in the   
   >> US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.   
   >>   
   >   And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no   
   coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the   
   > world anywhere, would global warming stop?   
      
   No.  We are in an inter-glacial warming period.   
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