From: ramon.eric@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-7, j...@mich.com wrote:   
   > On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:56 -0400, Ken Olson  wrote:    
   >    
   > >On 8/22/2023 2:42 PM, j...@mich.com wrote:    
   > >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:01:06 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy    
   wrote:    
   > >>    
   > >>> Con Reeder, unhyphenated American  wrote:    
   > >>>> On 2023-08-22, xyzzy  wrote:    
   > >>>>>  wrote:    
   > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT), The NOTBCS Guy    
   > >>>>>>  wrote:    
   > >>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>> We need to stop considering electric vehicles as "woke." We are   
   going to    
   > >>>>>>> run out of gas sooner rather than later.    
   > >>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>> What is the energy source to produce the electricity needed to charge   
   an electric car?    
   > >>>>>>    
   > >>>>>    
   > >>>>> Even if it’s 100% coal they are still better for the environment   
   than gas    
   > >>>>> cars because of the efficiency of grid power plants compared to ICE    
   > >>>>> engines.    
   > >>>>>    
   > >>>>    
   > >>>> This ignores multiple factors such as greater weight of vehicles,   
   increased    
   > >>>> use of natural resources, cost of new infrastructure needed for   
   widespread    
   > >>>> adoption, etc.    
   > >>>>    
   > >>>    
   > >>> No, it doesn’t. There are multiple studies on this including by the   
   Argonne    
   > >>> National Lab. Because of the factors you mentioned above, EVs start out   
   in    
   > >>> the hole environmentally but are positive by about 20k miles of use in   
   the    
   > >>> US depending on the car model and the local grid composition.    
   > >>>    
   > >> And if the entire world converted to renewable, green energy sources, no   
   coal or oil and any bad stuff, zero carbon emmisions from anything in the    
   > >> world anywhere, would global warming stop?    
   > >    
   > >No. We are in an inter-glacial warming period.   
   > WHAT!! Do you mean this has happened before? Glaciers have melted before?   
   Florida and other areas have been under water before? Good heavens. Then why    
   > all the hoopla and expense? Is it just an exercise to make lefties feel   
   good, thinking they are doing something when they're just pissing in the wind?    
   > Kind of like Lyndon Johnson turning off the lights in the White House to   
   reduce the national debt?   
      
   Never mind what the majority of scientists say.    
      
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