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   Message 209,236 of 209,580   
   JE Corbett to michael anderson   
   Re: Washington players bail out their bo   
   06 Jan 24 04:56:45   
   
   From: jecorbett4@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 5:51:02 PM UTC-5, michael anderson wrote:   
   > So I agree about the 3rd down pass. But the next possession is a *little   
   trickier*. I agree that if you're not going to kneel, you should at least run   
   outside or do something different than just have the rb dive into the line. I   
   mean c'mon you're not    
   going to get the first down like that, so why try.......so it's kind of like   
   the worst of both worlds there. Of course a run play that gets a back or wr on   
   the edge is also more likely to draw a flag, which also stops clock.    
   >    
   > I think given everything I probably would have kneeled in that situation,   
   just because I'm more afraid of a holding call or something than an injury.   
   But injuries happen. If washington was smart they immediately would have   
   picked up whats going on and    
   had several guys haul his ass off the field and look at him on the sideline. I   
   also don't like that rule....I don't believe the offense when they are leading   
   like that should be punished for an injury(a penalty is different one could   
   argue), and there    
   would be a way to put distinctions on the rule to apply in different   
   situations. the whole thing just seemed like artificial drama that never   
   should have happened. Dont like that rule....    
   >    
   > But the washington coach was in a tough spot. It's not quite enough time to   
   run it out, and then what if texas takes over at like the 25 yard line with   
   like 18 seconds left, has a 25 yard pass to the 45, and then has a few hail   
   marys into the end zone    
   and one hits. He would have taken shit for that as well. But obviously with   
   the injury that changed everything, and texas went from like a 0.4% chance of   
   victory to probably like a 15% chance of victory do to the injury with 50   
   seconds left(maybe 20%    
   after the punt penalty).    
   >    
   > but I think kneeling and punting is probably the right move. Usually I am   
   all for teams getting aggressive to get a 1st down to win the game(and I think   
   thats what you do if texas had 3 timeouts and not 2), but with only two   
   timeouts and needing a td    
   had they just kneeled they could have gotten it down to such a point that   
   their chances of winning were 99%. Of course the probably was the washington   
   coach didn't really do either- he didn't play it safe by kneeling and also   
   didn't really try to get the    
   1st. Worst of both worlds.    
   >    
   > Also I've heard some say "well they just should have had penix run backwards   
   and then sideways for like 7 seconds each play to get the clock to zero".   
   No....this is a terrible idea. Maybe try to do that for 2-3 seconds each   
   play(which maybe gets the    
   clock down to 14 or so), but if you do it too far it is bound to draw a   
   penalty like a hold or block in the back. And that of course would be a killer   
   too(just like the injury was).    
   >    
   > It was just not a good situation for the washington coach to be in......much   
   different situation than the miami/two creams disaster earlier this year where   
   that game was 100% over.   
      
   The decision to try for the first down after the onside kick is a debatable   
   one. If you kneel three times, the other team is going   
   to get the ball but barring a special teams disaster, it will be deep in their   
   own territory with very little time and no timeouts.    
   What isn't debatable is the decision to pass for a TD before kicking the chip   
   shot field goal. Had they taken a knee and forced   
   Texas to use a timeout, there would have been no decision to make after   
   recovering the onside kick. Texas could only have   
   stopped clock once so Washington could have easily run out the last 75 seconds   
   by taking a knee. Kalen DeBoer should get   
   the Mario Christobal Award for boneheaded game management.   
      
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