From: macthevorlon@yahoo.com
"Lucas Bachmann" wrote in message
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> wow a letter of mine came out of limbo - sent on the 29th shows up on
> the 7th! (this is the 10th at 7:24 pm eastern if it shows up on the
> 20th) Well I see the only factual problem anyone had was that
> I copied the wrong link for footnote 2.
>
> Mac Breck wrote:
>
> > I think Major Lee was just very arrogant, and that his explanation is
not
> > necessarily correct. Major Lee's words are not gospel. Therefore, the
> > Technomage trilogy does *not* erase "End of the Line."
> >
>
> I was going to quote your line about how you proved to yourself
> Joe was sleeping when it came to error checking the novels
Dig it up and quote it. I'd like to see what I actually said.
> but
> I see that you agreed with most of the quality concerns of my letter in
> that resend post anyway so it's a moot point, thank you for agreeing.
> However I think it would be far more inappropriate to send a private
> email of that nature considering "the don't email me" policy he has
> for things that can be said just as well here.
That's the point. It CAN'T be "said just as well, here." Saying it here, in
front of everyone else, IS inappropriate, IMO.
> However on your things falling through the cracks issue...
>
> Galen said the same reason Lee did at the end of EotL.
Lee said: "That's why they left known space during the war. They weren't
running from the Shadows. They were running from us. Because we wanted what
they had, and they wouldn't share."
However, Lee was *wrong*. The mages *were* running from the Shadows. The
Shadows could disable the mages' tech and terminate them, or use the mages
as a weapon.
Where did Galen ever say that they were fleeing Earthforce and not the
Shadows?
In "A Call to Arms," Galen says"We all know what is at stake here, if I am
right. Yes, we must protect ourselves, but we CANNOT do so by abandoning
those we left behind."
Then when Sheridan says, "They're upset with you."
Galen says: "Not upset, afraid. Fear makes wise men foolish. In my case, I
can only hope it makes fools wise. ...We came to this place during the
Shadow War, to prevent our secrets from falling into the wrong hands (And
that is *partly* true, but *not* a 100% complete answer.). And though the
war is over, our leaders are in no hurry to return. So, we will continue
hiding for a bit longer, 20, 30 more years[a], just to be safe. They like
being safe. .... Listen to me Sheridan, we don't have much
time. The connection between us is a delicate one. Do you recognize
this...place...?"
Sheridan: "Z'ha'dum, the homeworld of the Shadows before they left for the
rim."
Galen: "An ancient race, dedicated to chaos and destruction. They left, but
their allies remained. Some of them you know as the Drakh. We've been
watching the Drakh for some time. We knew that sooner or later those who
had once served other masters would choose to become masters themselves, and
continue the work the shadows began. Lately, we've hears rumors, stories
from other races who've encountered the Drakh. We think they are preparing
to move. Testing their resources, weapons, capabilities."
[a] Yikes, 20-30 more years! They were going stir-crazy inside of a couple
of months. By the end of the trilogy, they'd been in hiding for almost a
year, and their numbers had dwindled considerably. By the time Dec. 2266
comes around, they'd been in hiding for almost 8 years! Their lasting to
2267 must be attributable to Galen (And that's as specific as I think we
should be about this.).
The mages are not "fleeing from Earthforce" at all, really. They couldn't
care less about Earthforce **except** in Earthforce's experiments with
shadowtech, *and* that if Earthforce found out where they were going, the
Shadows. would find out as well. What they care about is being found out
*by the Shadows*. Earthforce is small potatoes, but if they delay the
mages, they could be a significant pain-in-the-butt. It's true that the
mages didn't want to share their tech with Earthforce. They don't want to
share their tech with *anybody*. They're secretive. Their tech is their
source of power and what makes them special. If they shared their tech,
they'd no longer be as special, would they? They're proud of what they are,
proud of their special abilities. Sharing their tech with Earthforce would
also give Earthforce power to be a threat to the mages. Earthforce *has*
received some Shadowtech, though not from any mages (at least as far as we
know). That's why Galen was assigned to keep an eye out for all left over
Shadowtech, to put a stop to its use by others (e.g. Earthforce).
The real reason the mages are fleeing is so that they are not *used* in the
Shadow War *by* the Shadows, against everybody else. They don't want to be
used *by anybody*, especially as instruments of destruction. The former
goes against their sense of independence, and the latter goes against their
Code (which they are taught, and most try to live by). So, the Circle voted
to remove the mages from the equation. The choice was to stay and fight,
and risk the Shadows controlling them and forcing them to fight the others,
and risk getting killed by the Shadows, or killed by the Vorlons and
Sheridan's Army of Light, *or* to leave. The Circle voted to leave.
> Thus Lee must be
> arrogant and Galen must be lying and Gideon was a fool to think
> he was a fool not to have connected the dots [1]
That conclusion is completely ridiculous. Lee *is* arrogant. Galen *is
not* lying. Galen may not tell 100% of the truth all of the time, but as
Gideon says, who does? What Galen says is true, *but* he leaves some things
out.
Gideon *could* justifiably feel like he's an "entirely new and undiscovered
kind of stupid" but not for the reason he mentions (i.e. that the mages are
keeping an eye on him because he'd lead them to Earthforce's use of
shadowtech). If he's stupid, it's for not realizing that the mages use
shadowtech before Major Lee tells him so. In actuality, he just never made
the connection between his friend, Galen, and the Shadows. The natural
assumption is that his friend (a good guy, somebody who has saved his life
on many occasions) would have nothing to do with the Shadows (who are
generally assumed to be all bad).
> and everyone was just
> conspiring against revealing events that weren't even in the outline.
How do you know what was in the outline? Do you have your own copy of the
outline? No? Didn't think so.
> Right.
> Galen and Alwyn were both pretending that they were surprised to
> cross paths at Regula 4.
Another old argument dragged out and dusted off. Good grief!
Galen knew that Alwyn was on Regula 4 in 2259, and knew that Alwyn had not
destroyed his place of power there, as of 2259. It doesn't mean that in
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