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   From: exquisitepeach@hotmail.com   
      
   Anybody wrote:   
      
   > In article <3558i.65$V01.41@trnddc02>, peachy ashie passion   
   >  wrote:   
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   >>Anybody wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>>In article <4h28i.88508$p47.37474@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,   
   >>>"SpammersDie"  wrote:   
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   >>>>"SFTVratings"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:1180735370.923758.6740@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...   
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   >>>>   
   >>>>>I'm sitting here watching Episode II - where Senator Padme' is almost   
   >>>>>killed by an assassin.  And what does Jedi Master Obi-wan do?  He   
   >>>>>jumps through a window, grabs the assassin droid, and proceeds to   
   >>>>>almost get killed when the droid blows-up, and he falls to his death.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler but the Jedi end up backing the   
   >>>>wrong political party in Ep3 and the Palpatine administration ends up in   
   >>>>power for the next two decades. Power returns to the other party only after   
   >>>>a bunch of scrappy Rebel pilots (none of them Jedi) blow up the second   
   >>>>Death   
   >>>>Star.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>In other words, yes the moral is that the Jedi are stupid.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>Not really stupid, simply complacent and unwary after 1,000 years of   
   >>>not having a real enemy to face.   
   >>   
   >>    No.   
   >>   
   >>   They created Darth Vader.   
   >>   
   >>   He was consumed with a childish concern for his mother's safety   
   >>because he was a CHILD and they left his mother as a SLAVE.   
   >>   
   >>   The Jedi Council created their own problems out of poor moral sense   
   >>and idiot planning.   
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   >   
   > e-watch Episode I. The Jedi didn't actually want to train Anakin. The   
   > Council told Qui-Gon that he was too old and they could sense danger.   
   > It was Qui-Gon's refusal to obey the Council, and then Obi-Wan's   
   > commitment to the promise he gave the dying Qui-Gon that began Ankain's   
   > tale and downfall. Jedi trainees are normally removed from their   
   > families at birth / babyhood on purpose so that they do not have that   
   > emotional family connection (the families agree to this since being a   
   > Jedi is such a huge honour and often a better life).   
      
      So your argument is that the Jedi wanted to toss out to the winds   
   this kid with enormous power and the ability to use it, and give him no   
   proper training at all, and that this wouldn't have been stupid.   
      
      Really?   
      
       He was already a danger.   The Jedi Council should have done   
   everything in their power to aid him in this.   
      
      He was a known danger, a ticking bomb.  Their preferred response was   
   to send him away and ignore him.   
      
      
   >   
   > Anakin's fall to the Dark Side was only partly caused by his separation   
   > from his mother and the dream of losing Padme ... it was also "helped"   
   > along by Palpatine's manipulation.   
      
       He was vulnerable to Palpatine's manipulation because of the inner   
   insecurity caused by the worry about his mother.  Not the separation,   
   but the constant worry for her safety along with the guilt of having got   
   out and left her behind.   
      
   >   
   > The Jedi didn't create the Empire, which probably would have happened   
   > with or without Anakin. It was Palpatine's plan long before he even   
   > heard of Anakin.   
      
      I didn't suggest they did.  Merely that they created Darth Vader by   
   their nearly criminal level of inaction when confronted with the problem   
   of a scared little boy.   
      
      
      
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