From: YourName@YourISP.com   
      
   In article , Sandman   
    wrote:   
   > In article <211220130944254476%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name   
   >  wrote:   
   > > > >   
   > > > >  Whether or not Abrams movies are "better" is a matter of irrelevant   
   > > > >  opinion, but it's a fact that they certainly aint "Star Wars" and his   
   > > > >  latest movies aren't even "Star Trek" in anything but name and simply   
   > > > >  pee all over the real "Star Trek" franchise.  :-(   
   > > >   
   > > > I'm no Star Trek fan, but the two movies from Abrams are the only Star   
   > > > Trek movies I've enjoyed watching. Star Trek movies are exceedingly   
   > > > boring, and he made them fun again.   
   > >   
   > >  Which basically proves my point. He made movies that weren't really   
   > >  "Star Trek". Like all silly "reboots", he ignored and changed   
   > >  established facts, etc. In reality he creates a different entity (at   
   > >  best a second sub-franchise) hiding behind the same name as the real   
   > >  "Star Trek".   
   >   
   > Sure, but when George Lucas did this - made movies that weren't Star Wara   
   > and changed established facts and such - the result was three awful movies.   
      
   Except George Lucas created the franchise - he's the ONLY person who is   
   allowed to make changes to his ideas.   
      
      
      
   > When JJ Abrams did it, the result was two really good Sci Fi movies.   
      
   Again, pointless opinion, and not the point.   
      
      
      
      
   > Fact is, "staying true" to something doesn't make it inherently good. If   
   > the prequel trilogy had stayed true to Star Wars (i.e. dropped the entire   
   > midichlorian bullshit and a slew of other original-raping things) they   
   > would still be awful movies without acting, script and story.   
      
   "Staying true" makes it part of the same franchise. Making lots of   
   ill-fitting silly changes makes it a NEW franchise, so it should NOT   
   re-use the old one's name.   
      
      
      
      
   > > > The last three Star Wars movies were not only boring, but also   
   exceedingly   
   > > > poorly written, poorly directed and with actors that are really good in   
   > > > other movies play cardboard cutouts of themselves.   
   > > >   
   > > > There is no chance that Abrams will make something worse than that.   
   > >   
   > >  Yes there is. If he goes down the same route as previously, he'll   
   > >  create ill-fitting messes that change established facts, etc. to suit   
   > >  his own (and Hollyweird's) silly dreams   
   >   
   > Geroege Lucas already did that.   
   >   
   > >  gee, look, Boba Fett did esape the Sarlacc, but is now somehow a woman   
   > >  simply because there were enough "strong female leads" in the proper   
   > >  "Star Wars" movies. Darth Vader magically reaapears, but now wears a   
   > >  pink suit because black is too depressing. Yoda and Obi-Wan are now twin   
   > >  brothers. etc., etc.   
   >   
   > Are you seriously saying that what JJ Abrams did to Star Trek is comparable   
   > to Boba Fett surviving and being a woman? Why wasn't Eric Bana's ship in   
   > the first Star Trek movie pink then? You're just constructing wind mills   
   > here to fight.   
      
   Abrams had ALL the main characters ta the Starfleet Academy at the smae   
   time - something that is completely impossible (Chekov, for example,   
   would have been about 5 years old when Kirk was at the Academy).   
      
   As for Boba Fett suddenyl being a women, that came from one of the many   
   other ridiculous "reboots" - Starbuck in Moore-Ron's so-called   
   "Battlestar Galactica".   
      
      
      
      
   > >  You just have to look at a lot of the idiotic fan fiction stories (not   
   > >  to mention some of the official novels!) to know how bad it can get   
   > >  when outside fools start plonking in their own sily ideas.   
   >   
   > Or I'll just look at tthe two very successful and very good Sci Fi movies   
   > that this guy has already made and realize that he's a hundred times better   
   > than the blithering idiot that did the last three Star Wars movies.   
      
   You're completely missing the point of a franchise. As usual around   
   here the ridiculous opinion-based "I think it's good" excuse makes   
   everything all right, despite the FACT the obvious reality is that it   
   is a acompletely different franchise (sometime even down to the poitn   
   of the people making it saying it is completely different!). It also   
   proves I'm just wasting my time and you'll never "get it", so you   
   believe whatever silliness you want to   :-\   
      
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