From: mr@sandman.net   
      
   In article <071020140859250534%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name    
   YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:   
      
   >> > I never said that, but that is opinions. I do not deal with worthless   
   >> > opinions since everyone's are different. I'm talking about facts and   
   >> > changes.   
   >>   
   >> You've yet to list one single fact, however.   
   >   
   > Someone else coming along making idiotic, ill-fitting changes is   
   > already a fact in many other franchises which have been ruined into   
   > confused and conflicting messes.   
      
   Yes, we've already talked about George Lucas ill-fitting and idiotic   
   changes to the style and facts of the Star Wars franchise.   
      
   >> >> I care very much about the franchise, which is pretty obvious from my   
   >> >> expressed joy of not having George Lucas being able to destroy it   
   further.   
   >> >   
   >> > Nope. That shows you "care" about your own enjoyment and the worthless   
   >> > opinion of "it's good" / "it's bad" ...   
   >>   
   >> That's YOUR opinion. I care about the franchise, which now has a chance to   
   >> be redeemed.   
   >   
   > Nope. If you really cared about the franchise then you wouldn't want it   
   > to be changed   
      
   I don't - but then Lucas went and changed it anyway. Now, with him out of   
   the picture, there's a chance someone who can direct movies will be able to   
   redeem it.   
      
   >... that's what a "fan" is - FACT.   
      
   You're confused. YOu seem to think a "fan" is someone who blindly accepts   
   all the idiotic and ill-fitting changes Lucas did just becuase it's Lucas.   
   That's not a fan, that's a fanboy. And you most certianly are a blind   
   fanboy.   
      
   > Making idiotic ill-fitting changes creates (at best) a confused mess of   
   > conflicting sub-franchises and ruins the real franchise - FACT   
      
   I agree - and it's a good thing that Lucas can no longr make those idiotic   
   ill-fitting changes anymore.   
      
   >> > if you really cared about the franchise you'd be worried about whether or   
   >> > not it fits with established facts, established styles, etc.   
   >>   
   >> Since George Lucas already took a big dump on established facts and style   
   >> with the prequels - not to mention the special editions, that train left   
   >> the station a long time ago. If there is any chance of new Star Wars movies   
   >> to adhere to established style and and facts, it's without Lucas at the   
   >> rudder.   
   >   
   > George Lucas is the creator of the franchise, which means he's the only   
   > person who has any moral rights to make changes to it - FACT.   
      
   I don't care who you think has the "moral right" to do anything. The   
   *license owners* have the *legal* right to do anything they want.   
      
   I am talking about the *FACT* that George Lucas, having the right or not,   
   made a series of ill-fitting and idiotic changes to the Star Wars mythos   
   when he created the Special Editions and the prequels. It's not like there   
   is room for an argument here - everyone knows about this.   
      
   > Besides which, pretty much nothing George Lucas did in the Prequel   
   > Trilogy conflicts with the Original Trilogy.   
      
   Except pretty much everything.   
      
   When it comes to style, the prequels made a series of ill-fitting and   
   idiotic changes. The original trilogy had very straightforward story arcs   
   that were a staple of concise storytelling. The prequels were a   
   story arc mess.   
      
   Visually, the idiotic and ill-fitting change was that the prequels were   
   made to have technology that was far more advanced in the chronologically   
   later original trilogy. Not just space ship designs overall, but also   
   computer displays and the likes.   
      
   Thematically, the idiotic and ill-fitting changes were that the prequels   
   become a three-movie story arc about politics, while the three-movie   
   storyarc of the original trilogy was the struggle of good vs evil and the   
   uprising of the underdogs.   
      
   Character-wise, the ill-fitting and idiotic change in the prequels is that   
   we have no character development at all. Obi-Wan Kenobi is the same person   
   in the first as in the third film, which you could hardly say about Luke   
   Skywalker, Leia or Han Solo in the original trilogy. They developed as   
   characters over the cause of their adversities. Anakin Skywalker has no   
   development over the cause of three movies.   
      
   Adversity-wise, the idiotic and ill-fitting changes in the prequels were   
   that there was no clear villain. No one knew who was the ultimate bad guy,   
   they didn't know if and what they fought, or even if they fought anything.   
   They spend lots of time "investigating" things, but there is no clear   
   villain. Maul is revealed and disbanded in the third act of one movie,   
   count dooku is revealed in second act in second movie and killed in first   
   act of third movie, darth sidious is revealed in third act in third movie.   
   The original trilogy has a clear and obvious villain in the first movie,   
   that in the second is revealed to take his orders from an even larger   
   villain, and both are vanquished in the last act of the third movie.   
   Complete and perfect villain storyarc.   
      
   I could go on forever about all the ill-fitting and idiotic changes to the   
   Star Wars franchise that the prequels made, and I haven't even mentioned   
   the midichlroians-idiocy or Jar Jar Binks.   
      
   > The six movie Saga also ends with "happily ever after" and is a   
   > complete story, meaning trying to tack on a third Trilogy is   
   > moronically silly.   
      
   Hey fanboy - didn't you just say GL had the "moral right" here? Well, his   
   vision was nine films from the start, so you should welcome them with open   
   arms.   
      
      
      
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