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|    Re: The Force Awakens (SPOILERS!!!!!!) (    |
|    17 Dec 15 01:47:46    |
      From: jas221@yahoo.com              On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:50:05 PM UTC+8, Sandman wrote:       > Lots of spoilers here, do NOT read if you haven't seen it and don't want it        > spoiled!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > SPOILER SPACE!       >        > So, I thought I'd comment on the movie on a more point-by-point basis. When        > the Phantom Menace was released, I was very excited and left the theater        > feeling good about it, but as time passed I slowly realized what a piece of        > junk it was.       >        > So when going to the Force Awakens, I felt that it was important to stay as        > objective as possible, and if I enjoyed it, I would enjoy it not just       because        > it was Star Wars, but because it was a well made movie.       >        > So, some comments:       >        > Practical effects! Abrams really delivers here. Tons and tons of special        > effects are practical in this movie. Sure, whenever they're flying around in        > the Millenium Falcon it's all CGI, but that's where CGI works.       >        > And there are some CGI that was unneeded, like Maz and Snoke. They could       have        > been people in makeup and costumes and it would have been more fitting.       There        > are some scenes, especially towards the end, that are obvious green screens,        > but most of the settings are real and on location and obviously so.       >        > The lead characters, Finn and Rey, do a pretty good job. While Rey being        > force-sensitive is a bit of a coincidence in the whole scheme of things, the        > original trilogy is also filled with similar unlikely coincidences, so I        > don't mind that.       >        > Finn doesn't really add much to the movie or to the plot, and could have       been        > left out entirely.       >        > The plot is most of the time a cut'n'paste of the plot of ANH, sometimes        > subtly, sometimes in your face. At times you get the feeling of "Didn't we        > see exactly this" when the resistance (rebels) are seconds away of being       shot        > to pieces by a world-destroying weapon and fighter pilots need to do a       trench        > run and shot a specific target to blow it up. Or when a droid holds the map        > to find Luke Skywalker, stranded on a desert planet after its owner has been        > captured by the First Order (Empire), where it meets the one person that        > seems to be the key to once again defeat the Sith.       >        > Kylo Ren, being the son of Han and Leia, first sounded cheesy, but it was        > actually quite well done. Him, being the son of force-sensitive Leia but        > having "too much of Vader" in him made a good connection to Luke and ANH.       And        > while the actor playing Ren didn't feel "right" at all times, I think that        > was deliberate. He is young, he has been seduced by the dark side, he is        > conflicted and insecure, and the way it plays off him wanting to be as        > powerful as Vader is well done. And seeing how he is wounded in the end I        > predict we'll see a more powerful and more hateful version of him in movies        > to come.        >        > So - the Force then. In the start of the movie, Kylo Ren stops a blaster       shot        > in mid air. Not deflects it, stops it - meaning it is stuck "hovering".       While        > I have no problem imagining that someone powerful in the force doing this,       it        > felt a bit "show offy" so to speak, and felt a bit out of place.       >        > And in the end of the movie we see Rey, recently having found out that she's        > force-sensitive, successfully fighting Kylo with a light saber after having        > broken out of containment using mind tricks. And yes, we saw Luke do the       same        > with Vader in ESB without much training, but he was clumsy and unpolished,        > while Rey looks like she's been trained by a Jedi master. Even Finn puts up       a        > good fight with a light saber. It just felt out of place.       >        > So, Harrison Ford did a great job with Han, and it felt 100% like Han. Very        > good. Same with Chewie. Carrie Fisher, not so much. Leia is wooden, looks       out        > of place and just doesn't cut it. Mark Hamill is just on-screen for about 30        > seconds and has no lines, but he looks awesome.       >        > While Han is central to most of the movies plot advancement, Leia and Luke        > aren't, which is good. I think the right choice is to keep these characters        > low-profile and let us follow new characters.       >        > So set design. A lot of tings are slightly updated, new storm trooper       armour,        > new coloring of the Tie Fighters, the X-Wings are now styled as in the old        > Ralph McQuarrie designs. But most of it looks like a organic evolution and        > makes sense. When inside the First Order premises, the set design is very        > (*very*) similar to the Empire set design. It's a bit darker and maybe a bit        > more polished, but very similar, in a good way.       >        > The resistance base bears a striking resemblance to the Yavin base, with       lots        > of greenery, stone temple etc etc. Dirty and used machines and such.       >        > There is exactly no politics in this movie - Yay! The opening crawl talks a        > bit about the republic and the new perils of the new first order.       >        > Talking about the First Order, it is visually - at least in one scene - a       lot        > like Nazi germany, visually. There are rows of storm troopers amidst red        > banners and a man speaking to them from a central podium with a huge red        > banner/flag behind him. This must have been deliberate of course, but it       also        > feels a bit cheap to borrow the nazi connotations so obviously.       >        > Also, while I like the entire "drop into the story" of TFA, where not much        > backstory is revealed, it seems a bit weird that the First Order managed to        > build a world-destryong weapon without the resistance knowing about it in       the        > time between ROTJ and TFA.       >        > But like I said, I like that we're not given a backstory to just about        > anything in the start of the movie. We're promptly thrusted into the action.        > Who is Finn? Who is Rey? Don't matter, just roll with it. Great! We get a       bit        > of a force-induced flashback of Rey but that's about it.       >        > I also like the fact that the family bonds between Kylo and Han/Leia isn't        > kept as a reveal later on. We learn early that he is their son, before it        > would have been a "huge" reveal. Maybe we'll get another later (like Rey        > actually being Luke's daughter).       >        > All in all - great movie!       >        > --        > Sandman                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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