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|    The Force Awakens (SPOILERS!!!!!!)    |
|    17 Dec 15 08:50:02    |
      From: mr@sandman.net              Lots of spoilers here, do NOT read if you haven't seen it and don't want it       spoiled!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              SPOILER SPACE!              So, I thought I'd comment on the movie on a more point-by-point basis. When       the Phantom Menace was released, I was very excited and left the theater       feeling good about it, but as time passed I slowly realized what a piece of       junk it was.              So when going to the Force Awakens, I felt that it was important to stay as       objective as possible, and if I enjoyed it, I would enjoy it not just because       it was Star Wars, but because it was a well made movie.              So, some comments:              Practical effects! Abrams really delivers here. Tons and tons of special       effects are practical in this movie. Sure, whenever they're flying around in       the Millenium Falcon it's all CGI, but that's where CGI works.              And there are some CGI that was unneeded, like Maz and Snoke. They could have       been people in makeup and costumes and it would have been more fitting. There       are some scenes, especially towards the end, that are obvious green screens,       but most of the settings are real and on location and obviously so.              The lead characters, Finn and Rey, do a pretty good job. While Rey being       force-sensitive is a bit of a coincidence in the whole scheme of things, the       original trilogy is also filled with similar unlikely coincidences, so I       don't mind that.              Finn doesn't really add much to the movie or to the plot, and could have been       left out entirely.              The plot is most of the time a cut'n'paste of the plot of ANH, sometimes       subtly, sometimes in your face. At times you get the feeling of "Didn't we       see exactly this" when the resistance (rebels) are seconds away of being shot       to pieces by a world-destroying weapon and fighter pilots need to do a trench       run and shot a specific target to blow it up. Or when a droid holds the map       to find Luke Skywalker, stranded on a desert planet after its owner has been       captured by the First Order (Empire), where it meets the one person that       seems to be the key to once again defeat the Sith.              Kylo Ren, being the son of Han and Leia, first sounded cheesy, but it was       actually quite well done. Him, being the son of force-sensitive Leia but       having "too much of Vader" in him made a good connection to Luke and ANH. And       while the actor playing Ren didn't feel "right" at all times, I think that       was deliberate. He is young, he has been seduced by the dark side, he is       conflicted and insecure, and the way it plays off him wanting to be as       powerful as Vader is well done. And seeing how he is wounded in the end I       predict we'll see a more powerful and more hateful version of him in movies       to come.              So - the Force then. In the start of the movie, Kylo Ren stops a blaster shot       in mid air. Not deflects it, stops it - meaning it is stuck "hovering". While       I have no problem imagining that someone powerful in the force doing this, it       felt a bit "show offy" so to speak, and felt a bit out of place.              And in the end of the movie we see Rey, recently having found out that she's       force-sensitive, successfully fighting Kylo with a light saber after having       broken out of containment using mind tricks. And yes, we saw Luke do the same       with Vader in ESB without much training, but he was clumsy and unpolished,       while Rey looks like she's been trained by a Jedi master. Even Finn puts up a       good fight with a light saber. It just felt out of place.              So, Harrison Ford did a great job with Han, and it felt 100% like Han. Very       good. Same with Chewie. Carrie Fisher, not so much. Leia is wooden, looks out       of place and just doesn't cut it. Mark Hamill is just on-screen for about 30       seconds and has no lines, but he looks awesome.              While Han is central to most of the movies plot advancement, Leia and Luke       aren't, which is good. I think the right choice is to keep these characters       low-profile and let us follow new characters.              So set design. A lot of tings are slightly updated, new storm trooper armour,       new coloring of the Tie Fighters, the X-Wings are now styled as in the old       Ralph McQuarrie designs. But most of it looks like a organic evolution and       makes sense. When inside the First Order premises, the set design is very       (*very*) similar to the Empire set design. It's a bit darker and maybe a bit       more polished, but very similar, in a good way.              The resistance base bears a striking resemblance to the Yavin base, with lots       of greenery, stone temple etc etc. Dirty and used machines and such.              There is exactly no politics in this movie - Yay! The opening crawl talks a       bit about the republic and the new perils of the new first order.              Talking about the First Order, it is visually - at least in one scene - a lot       like Nazi germany, visually. There are rows of storm troopers amidst red       banners and a man speaking to them from a central podium with a huge red       banner/flag behind him. This must have been deliberate of course, but it also       feels a bit cheap to borrow the nazi connotations so obviously.              Also, while I like the entire "drop into the story" of TFA, where not much       backstory is revealed, it seems a bit weird that the First Order managed to       build a world-destryong weapon without the resistance knowing about it in the       time between ROTJ and TFA.              But like I said, I like that we're not given a backstory to just about       anything in the start of the movie. We're promptly thrusted into the action.       Who is Finn? Who is Rey? Don't matter, just roll with it. Great! We get a bit       of a force-induced flashback of Rey but that's about it.              I also like the fact that the family bonds between Kylo and Han/Leia isn't       kept as a reveal later on. We learn early that he is their son, before it       would have been a "huge" reveal. Maybe we'll get another later (like Rey       actually being Luke's daughter).              All in all - great movie!              --       Sandman              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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