From: mr@sandman.net   
      
   In article , C'Pi wrote:   
      
   > > > C'Pi:   
   > > > So kylo Ren is a spoiled petulant child prone to outbursts.   
   > > > People whining he isn't a total badass 100% of the time need to   
   > > > just stop it.   
   > >   
   > > Sandman:   
   > > I think he was perfectly portrayed. The entire point was that he   
   > > wasn't Vader,  that he wasn't badass. At least not yet. I think Ep   
   > > VIII will see his hatred  grow much larger.   
   >   
   > Be interesting to see if they will try to go the redemption route   
   > like Luke took with Vader or just try to fry his butt. After what   
   > happened in VII, I got to think people are gonna hope he gets fried.   
      
   Indeed. Redemption means forgiveness from Leia, not merely survival. Vader was   
   redeemed, and slightly dead. :)   
      
   Here we have the family drama front and center, nothing hidden. It's not like   
   Vader at all, who was this menacing killer in ANH, this scheming and relentless   
   villain in ESB, who shockingly turned out to be the father of our hero!!   
      
   Ren is at the end of TFA a very simple character with some very understandable   
   and palpable depth to him. He is portrayed as a child, as a teen with   
   superiority complex, rebelling against his parents almost. With the events in   
   the latter part of the movie, this will change. He will come back darker,   
   angrier and better trained and a formidable foe to Luke - who will never give   
   up on him, which just may be his doom.   
      
   In the end, I want Luke to be as powerful, or more powerful than the emperor   
   and Yoda. But with the help of Snope and some Sith-steroids or some such (i.e.   
   some unknown way to boost his powers more than should be possible), Ren will   
   rise against him.   
      
   Might be Rey that saves the day in the end.   
      
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