From: jas221@yahoo.com   
      
   On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 8:51:15 PM UTC+8, Sandman wrote:   
   > In article , C'Pi   
   wrote:   
   >    
   > > > > C'Pi:   
   > > > > I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a   
   > > > > Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive   
   > > > > girl that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster   
   > > > > parents that aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.   
   > > >    
   > > > Sandman:   
   > > > I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker   
   > > > bloodline, but  her parents were special in some way, and Luke   
   > > > will turn out to know about  them, and know why they left her etc   
   > > > etc. Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's   
   > > > going to train Ren,  he is also force sensitive, but seeing that   
   > > > he seems to be rather old, who is  he? And what was he doing at   
   > > > the time of the rebellion? Is there an interesting backstory here,   
   > > > about how Snope rose to power after  something related to the new   
   > > > Jedi order? When you think about it, it could be quite complex and   
   > > > interesting still, and  the more straight forward ANH-like   
   > > > storyline of TFA might have been a genius  way to create a   
   > > > simplistic surface adventure for a more complex relational  drama   
   > > > in the later movies. I.e. exactly like the original trilogy.   
   > >    
   > > I will be very surprised if as much time is spent on Kylo-Ren/Snope   
   > > as will be spent on Rey/Luke. Or any time spent on them other than,   
   > > 'You are now trained. Go kill Luke and bring me Rey.' Would be   
   > > interesting to see that side of it but that part will probably be in   
   > > the comic book.   
   >    
   > I highly doubt we'll see Ren until he's back and "fully trained", fueled by    
   > rage.   
   >    
   > A lot of opinions is about Finn/Rey holding their own against Ren in a light    
   > saber duel. But to me, that makes perfect sense.   
   >    
   > in TFA, Ren is a poser, a wannabe. He's never fought another Jedi, he's   
   never    
   > received any lightsaber training, for all we know, the light saber he uses   
   was    
   > built by himself, given its "unstable" appearance.   
      
   True, and he had just been shot. I don't know why nobody thinks this matters.   
   Clearly he had been weakened.   
      
   > So, while neither Finn or Rey are Jedis, they could plausibly be claimed to    
   > have as much "fighting with sticks" experience as Ren. Finn does get his ass    
   > handed to him in the end, of course, so maybe not as much for him.    
      
   I didn't have a problem with any of this. Finn is a soldier, surely he's been   
   trained to fight many different ways. He probably knew how to use one of those   
   riot control thingies, too.  He didn't really do much with the lightsaber   
   except get himself    
   nearly killed, anyway.   
      
   > Rey already    
   > have a staff in the movie, which may be a weapon, don't actually remember if   
   it    
   > ever does anything.   
      
   It was the Force!! People are looking back on the PT which made it look like   
   years of training was needed and not on the OT that made it look like a person   
   just needed to be attuned to the Force. Rey is naturally powerful in the Force   
   just like Luke was.    
   She let it control her actions.  Beside she looked very raw while she was   
   fighting.  Quite brutish in fact.   
       
   > EpVIII will be very interesting!   
      
   Just as long as there are no Death Planets, and asteroid belts or cloud cities   
   in site.   
      
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