From: darth_azrael@yahoo.com   
      
   Your Name wrote on Wed, 24 August 2016 17:55   
   > In article , Cyber kNight   
   >  wrote:   
   > >  Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 21:30   
   > >>  In article ,   
   > Cyber kNight   
   > >>   wrote:   
   > >>>   Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 02:36   
   > >>>   In article   
   > >>>   , Cyber   
   > >>>   kNight   
   > >>>>    wrote:   
   > >>>> >   Your Name wrote on Tue, 09 August 2016 17:17   
   > >>>> >   In article   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >>  We don't want nor need a supposedly "better"   
   > story ... we already   
   > >>>> >>  have the story. Making a new one is simply   
   > Disney being egotistical   
   > >>>> >>  and making a confused mess of the franchise.   
   > :-\   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >   That already happened with episodes I-III.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   No it didn't. The Prequel Trilogy is what George   
   > Lucas had   
   > >>>>   (semi)planned all along ... he said virtually   
   > from the start that he   
   > >>>>   started in the middle (with Episode IV) because   
   > he knew people would   
   > >>>>   find the start of the story less interesting.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   Even if it had done, George Lucas had every right   
   > to do whatever he   
   > >>>>   wanted with *HIS* creation.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   Certainly the basic story of Anakin becoming Darth   
   > Vader was more or   
   > >>>   less planned (or at least in the back of Lucas'   
   > mind) all along but   
   > >>>   much of the storytelling, particularly in Episode   
   > I, was a confused   
   > >>>   mess.   
   > >>   
   > >>  No it wasn't. The complaints from the whiners about   
   > Episode I were due   
   > >>  to it be "boring" (as Lucas said they would) and   
   > because they didn't   
   > >>  like Jar Jar Binks (who is little different to the   
   > Ewoks or the droids'   
   > >>  banter) or the supposed racial steretypes (after   
   > whining there wasn't   
   > >>  enough "diversity" in the Original Trilogy).   
   > >   
   > >   I disagree.   
   >   
   > You can disagree all you want ... it doesn't alter the   
   > actual facts   
   > though.   
      
      
   You mean it doesn't alter YOUR opinion. When I say much of   
   the prequel trilogy was a confused mess that's my opinion. I   
   liked the prequel trilogy but there were a lot of problems   
   with it despite (and because of) Lucas being in control. It   
   is widely believed (and I'm among those who do) that they   
   would have been better movies with other directors. Empire   
   Strikes Back is considered by most fans and critics to be   
   the best Star Wars movie and Lucas didn't direct that one.   
      
   Quote:   
   > >>>>   Disney now owns Star Wars because George Lucas   
   > sold it to   
   > >>>>   Disney (as he also had every right to do) and so   
   > now they have   
   > >>>>   every right to do whatever they want with it.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>  No they don't. They may own the legal rights, but   
   > they did not   
   > >>>  create the idea. I could own the Mona Lisa, but it   
   > would still be   
   > >>>  abhorrent to any sane person if I was to draw a   
   > moustache and   
   > >>>  Harry Potter glasses on it simply because *I*   
   > thought it looked   
   > >>>  better that way.   
   > >>   
   > >>  So you are saying that Lucas did not have the right   
   > to sell   
   > >>  his ownership of the franchise to someone else to   
   > create   
   > >>  stories in?   
   >   
   > Where did I even remotely say that???   :-\   
      
      
   I said Disney owns the rights and has the right to do   
   whatever they want. You said "no they don't". See above. If   
   Lucas has the right to sell his creation than whoever he   
   sells his creation too surely has the right to use it.   
   That's the whole point. It's hardly worth paying billions of   
   dollars for otherwise.   
      
   Quote:   
   > >>>> >>>   It's too late ... JJ Abrams so-called   
   > "Episode VII" *IS*   
   > >>>> >>>   simply a lazy reboot of the original movies.   
   > The talentless   
   > >>>> >>>   idiot simply copied most of his movie from   
   > the Original   
   > >>>> >>>   Trilogy (plus a bit of the Rebels animated   
   > show with an   
   > >>>> >>>   orphaned main character), and then, similar   
   > to his Star   
   > >>>> >>>   Drek mess, tried to disguise such stupidity   
   > by making it   
   > >>>> >>>   seem like part of the same franchise. The   
   > reason so many   
   > >>>> >>>   people like Episode VII is because it   
   > basically is the   
   > >>>> >>>   Original movie again.  :(   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >>   The problem with continuing a franchise years   
   > later is that   
   > >>>> >>   you have to introduce new viewers in addition   
   > to appeasing   
   > >>>> >>   the existing fans.   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >  The existing fans have already introduced their   
   > kids to the   
   > >>>> >  Saga via the various theatrical and DVD releases   
   > (as well as   
   > >>>> >  occasional TV broadcasts) over the years.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   No doubt many have but others have not and of   
   > course there are   
   > >>>>   many others who are not children of existing   
   > fans.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>  That's what DVDs are for.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>  There was absolutely no need at all to reboot or   
   > recreate the   
   > >>>  original movies ... or *ANY* franchise - never was,   
   > is, never   
   > >>>  will be ... other than Jar Jar Abrams' complete   
   > lack of creative   
   > >>>  talent, sheer laziness, and over-bloated ego   
   > thinking he knew   
   > >>>  better than George Lucas (the guy who actually had   
   > the talent to   
   > >>>  come up with the idea!).   
   > >>   
   > >>  Despite the derivative aspects of Episode VII there   
   > were unique   
   > >>  pieces as well and it was still a sequel, not a   
   > reboot (for which   
   > >>  I am personally thankful for).   
   >   
   > All idiotic "reboots" have their own silly ideas ...   
   > that's what make   
   > them a "reboot" rather than a "remake".   
   >   
   > And yes, Episode VII was an idiotic "reboot", but like   
   > Abram's Star   
   > Drek, it's pretending not to be, and also just like   
   > Abrams' Star Drek,   
   > failing miserably to convince to anyone with actual eyes   
   > and a brain   
   > who see it.   
      
      
   Episode VII is obviously a sequel no matter how derivative   
   you think it is. Old characters have aged, there are new   
   characters, story is new (despite derivative nature), etc.   
   On the other hand, Trek was never really pretending not to   
   be a reboot.   
      
   Quote:   
   > >>>>   If you hate Abrams so much, why did you watch the   
   > movie? Do   
   > >>>>   you still plan to watch the rest? You seem to   
   > have already   
   > >>>>   pre-judged them.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>  Jar Jar Abrams' is a talentless, over-hyped cretin.   
   > Everything he   
   > >>>  touches is a disastrous mess, and he then jumps   
   > ship when he gets   
   > >>>  bored leaving others to try and tidy up the crap he   
   > leaves behind.   
   > >>   
   > >>  Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there are   
   > >>  obviously many people who like his movies despite   
   > whatever   
   > >>  you may think of them.   
   >   
   > Him being a cretin is perhaps an opinion. Everything   
   > else is an   
   > observable fact.   
      
      
   "Disastrous mess", "talentless", etc. are all opinions as   
      
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