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   In article , Cyber kNight   
    wrote:   
   > Your Name wrote on Wed, 24 August 2016 17:55   
   > In article   
   > , Cyber kNight   
   > >  wrote:   
   > > >  Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 21:30   
   > > >>  In article ,   
   > Cyber kNight   
   > > >>   wrote:   
   > > >>>   Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 02:36   
   > > >>>   In article   
   > > >>>   , Cyber   
   > > >>>   kNight   
   > > >>>>    wrote:   
   > > >>>> >   Your Name wrote on Tue, 09 August 2016 17:17   
   > > >>>> >   In article   
   > > >>>> >>   
   > > >>>> >>  We don't want nor need a supposedly "better"   
   > story ... we   
   > > >>>> >>  already have the story. Making a new one is simply   
   > Disney being   
   > > >>>> >>  egotistical and making a confused mess of the franchise.   
   > :-\   
   > > >>>> >   
   > > >>>> >   That already happened with episodes I-III.   
   > > >>>>   
   > > >>>>   No it didn't. The Prequel Trilogy is what George   
   > Lucas had   
   > > >>>>   (semi)planned all along ... he said virtually   
   > from the start that   
   > > >>>>   he started in the middle (with Episode IV) because   
   > he knew people   
   > > >>>>   would find the start of the story less interesting.   
   > > >>>>   
   > > >>>>   Even if it had done, George Lucas had every right   
   > to do whatever he   
   > > >>>>   wanted with *HIS* creation.   
   > > >>>   
   > > >>>   Certainly the basic story of Anakin becoming Darth   
   > Vader was more   
   > > >>>   or less planned (or at least in the back of Lucas'   
   > mind) all along   
   > > >>>   but much of the storytelling, particularly in Episode   
   > I, was a   
   > > >>>   confused mess.   
   > > >>   
   > > >>  No it wasn't. The complaints from the whiners about   
   > Episode I were   
   > > >>  due to it be "boring" (as Lucas said they would) and   
   > because they   
   > > >>  didn't like Jar Jar Binks (who is little different to the   
   >   
   > > >>  Ewoks or the droids' banter) or the supposed racial steretypes   
   > > >>  (after   
   > whining there wasn't enough "diversity" in the   
   > > >>  Original Trilogy).   
   > > >   
   > > >   I disagree.   
   > >   
   > > You can disagree all you want ... it doesn't alter the   
   > actual facts   
   > > though.   
      
   >   
   > You mean it doesn't alter YOUR opinion. When I say much of   
   the prequel   
   > trilogy was a confused mess that's my opinion. I   
   liked the prequel trilogy   
   > but there were a lot of problems   
   with it despite (and because of) Lucas being   
   > in control. It   
   is widely believed (and I'm among those who do) that   
   > they   
   would have been better movies with other directors. Empire   
   Strikes Back   
   > is considered by most fans and critics to be   
   the best Star Wars movie and   
   > Lucas didn't direct that one.   
      
   As I said, it doesn't alter the facts. The actual facts is that almost   
   all of the complaints were about Jar Jar / racial stereotypes and it   
   being boring (except for the Darth Maul / Qui-Gon / Obi-Wan light saber   
   battle near the end).   
      
   You opinion is completely irrelevant to anyone but you.   
      
      
      
      
   > Quote:   
   > >>>>   Disney now owns Star Wars because George Lucas   
   > sold it to   
   > > >>>>   Disney (as he also had every right to do) and so   
   > now they have   
   > > >>>>   every right to do whatever they want with it.   
   > > >>>   
   > > >>>  No they don't. They may own the legal rights, but   
   > they did not   
   > > >>>  create the idea. I could own the Mona Lisa, but it   
   > would still be   
   > > >>>  abhorrent to any sane person if I was to draw a   
   > moustache and   
   > > >>>  Harry Potter glasses on it simply because *I*   
   > thought it looked   
   > > >>>  better that way.   
   > > >>   
   > > >>  So you are saying that Lucas did not have the right   
   > to sell   
   > > >>  his ownership of the franchise to someone else to   
   > create   
   > > >>  stories in?   
   > >   
   > > Where did I even remotely say that???   :-\   
      
   >   
   > I said Disney owns the rights and has the right to do   
   whatever they want. You   
   > said "no they don't". See above. If   
   Lucas has the right to sell his creation   
   > than whoever he   
   sells his creation too surely has the right to use it.   
   That's   
   > the whole point. It's hardly worth paying billions of   
   dollars for otherwise.   
      
   Whoosh!! Straight over the top, didn't touch the sides.  :-\   
      
      
      
      
   > Quote:   
   > >>>> >>>   It's too late ... JJ Abrams so-called   
   > "Episode VII"   
   > *IS*   
   > > >>>> >>>   simply a lazy reboot of the original movies.   
   > The talentless   
   > > >>>> >>>   idiot simply copied most of his movie from   
   > the Original   
   > > >>>> >>>   Trilogy (plus a bit of the Rebels animated   
   > show with an   
   > > >>>> >>>   orphaned main character), and then, similar   
   > to his Star   
   > > >>>> >>>   Drek mess, tried to disguise such stupidity   
   > by making it   
   > > >>>> >>>   seem like part of the same franchise. The   
   > reason so many   
   > > >>>> >>>   people like Episode VII is because it   
   > basically is the   
   > > >>>> >>>   Original movie again.  :(   
   > > >>>> >>   
   > > >>>> >>   The problem with continuing a franchise years   
   > later is that   
   > > >>>> >>   you have to introduce new viewers in addition   
   > to appeasing   
   > > >>>> >>   the existing fans.   
   > > >>>> >   
   > > >>>> >  The existing fans have already introduced their   
   > kids to the   
   > > >>>> >  Saga via the various theatrical and DVD releases   
   > (as well as   
   > > >>>> >  occasional TV broadcasts) over the years.   
   > > >>>>   
   > > >>>>   No doubt many have but others have not and of   
   > course there are   
   > > >>>>   many others who are not children of existing   
   > fans.   
   > > >>>   
   > > >>>  That's what DVDs are for.   
   > > >>>   
   > > >>>  There was absolutely no need at all to reboot or   
   > recreate the   
   > > >>>  original movies ... or *ANY* franchise - never was,   
   > is, never   
   > > >>>  will be ... other than Jar Jar Abrams' complete   
   > lack of creative   
   > > >>>  talent, sheer laziness, and over-bloated ego   
   > thinking he knew   
   > > >>>  better than George Lucas (the guy who actually had   
   > the talent to   
   > > >>>  come up with the idea!).   
   > > >>   
   > > >>  Despite the derivative aspects of Episode VII there   
   > were unique   
   > > >>  pieces as well and it was still a sequel, not a   
   > reboot (for which   
   > > >>  I am personally thankful for).   
   > >   
   > > All idiotic "reboots" have their own silly ideas ...   
   > that's what make   
   > > them a "reboot" rather than a "remake".   
   > >   
   > > And yes, Episode VII was an idiotic "reboot", but like   
   > Abram's Star   
   > > Drek, it's pretending not to be, and also just like   
   > Abrams' Star Drek,   
   > > failing miserably to convince to anyone with actual eyes   
   > and a brain   
   > > who see it.   
      
   >   
   > Episode VII is obviously a sequel no matter how derivative   
   you think it is.   
   > Old characters have aged, there are new   
   characters, story is new (despite   
   > derivative nature), etc.   
      
   Almost nothing in it is new. It's almost all a rip-off of the Original   
   Trilogy movies, with the obligatory idiotic "reboot" changes to satisfy   
      
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