From: darth_azrael@yahoo.com   
      
   Your Name wrote on Thu, 25 August 2016 17:39   
   > In article , Cyber kNight   
   >  wrote:   
   > >  Your Name wrote on Wed, 24 August 2016 17:55   
   > >  In article   
   > >  , Cyber kNight   
   > >>   wrote:   
   > >>>   Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 21:30   
   > >>>>   In article   
   > ,   
   > >  Cyber kNight   
   > >>>>    wrote:   
   > >>>> >   Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 02:36   
   > >>>> >   In article   
   > >>>> >   , Cyber   
   > >>>> >   kNight   
   > >>>> >>    wrote:   
   > >>>> >> >   Your Name wrote on Tue, 09 August 2016   
   > 17:17   
   > >>>> >> >   In article   
   > >>>> >> >>   
   > >>>> >> >>  We don't want nor need a supposedly   
   > "better"   
   > >  story ... we   
   > >>>> >> >>  already have the story. Making a new one is   
   > simply   
   > >  Disney being   
   > >>>> >> >>  egotistical and making a confused mess of   
   > the franchise.   
   > >  :-\   
   > >>>> >> >   
   > >>>> >> >   That already happened with episodes I-III.   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >>   No it didn't. The Prequel Trilogy is what   
   > George   
   > >  Lucas had   
   > >>>> >>   (semi)planned all along ... he said virtually   
   > >  from the start that   
   > >>>> >>   he started in the middle (with Episode IV)   
   > because   
   > >  he knew people   
   > >>>> >>   would find the start of the story less   
   > interesting.   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >>   Even if it had done, George Lucas had every   
   > right   
   > >  to do whatever he   
   > >>>> >>   wanted with *HIS* creation.   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >   Certainly the basic story of Anakin becoming   
   > Darth   
   > >  Vader was more   
   > >>>> >   or less planned (or at least in the back of   
   > Lucas'   
   > >  mind) all along   
   > >>>> >   but much of the storytelling, particularly in   
   > Episode   
   > >  I, was a   
   > >>>> >   confused mess.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   No it wasn't. The complaints from the whiners   
   > about   
   > >  Episode I were   
   > >>>>   due to it be "boring" (as Lucas said they would)   
   > and   
   > >  because they   
   > >>>>   didn't like Jar Jar Binks (who is little   
   > different to the   
   > >   
   > >>>>   Ewoks or the droids' banter) or the supposed   
   > racial steretypes   
   > >>>>   (after   
   > >  whining there wasn't enough "diversity" in the   
   > >>>>   Original Trilogy).   
   > >>>   
   > >>>    I disagree.   
   > >>   
   > >>  You can disagree all you want ... it doesn't alter   
   > the   
   > >  actual facts   
   > >>  though.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >  You mean it doesn't alter YOUR opinion. When I say   
   > > much of   
   > the prequel   
   > >  trilogy was a confused mess that's my opinion. I   
   > liked the prequel trilogy   
   > >  but there were a lot of problems   
   > with it despite (and because of) Lucas being   
   > >  in control. It   
   > is widely believed (and I'm among those who do) that   
   > >  they   
   > would have been better movies with other directors.   
   > Empire   
   > Strikes Back   
   > >  is considered by most fans and critics to be   
   > the best Star Wars movie and   
   > >  Lucas didn't direct that one.   
   >   
   > As I said, it doesn't alter the facts. The actual facts   
   > is that almost   
   > all of the complaints were about Jar Jar / racial   
   > stereotypes and it   
   > being boring (except for the Darth Maul / Qui-Gon /   
   > Obi-Wan light saber   
   > battle near the end).   
   >   
   > You opinion is completely irrelevant to anyone but you.   
      
      
   Sort of ironic mentioning the irrelevancy of my opinion   
   while referring to the opinions of others AND stating an   
   opinion about what "most" peoples' opinion is (unless you   
   have numbers to back that up anyway).   
      
      
   Quote:   
   > >  Quote:   
   > >>>> >   Disney now owns Star Wars because George Lucas   
   > >  sold it to   
   > >>>> >>   Disney (as he also had every right to do) and   
   > so   
   > >  now they have   
   > >>>> >>   every right to do whatever they want with it.   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >  No they don't. They may own the legal rights,   
   > but   
   > >  they did not   
   > >>>> >  create the idea. I could own the Mona Lisa, but   
   > it   
   > >  would still be   
   > >>>> >  abhorrent to any sane person if I was to draw a   
   > >  moustache and   
   > >>>> >  Harry Potter glasses on it simply because *I*   
   > >  thought it looked   
   > >>>> >  better that way.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   So you are saying that Lucas did not have the   
   > right   
   > >  to sell   
   > >>>>   his ownership of the franchise to someone else   
   > to   
   > >  create   
   > >>>>   stories in?   
   > >>   
   > >>  Where did I even remotely say that???   :-\   
   >   
   > >   
   > >  I said Disney owns the rights and has the right to   
   > > do   
   > whatever they want. You   
   > >  said "no they don't". See above. If   
   > Lucas has the right to sell his creation   
   > >  than whoever he   
   > sells his creation too surely has the right to use it.   
   > That's   
   > >  the whole point. It's hardly worth paying billions   
   > > of   
   > dollars for otherwise.   
   >   
   > Whoosh!! Straight over the top, didn't touch the sides.   
   > :-\   
      
      
   I think the words above are reasonably clear. :-\   
      
      
      
   Quote:   
   > >  Quote:   
   > >>>> > >>>   It's too late ... JJ Abrams so-called   
   > >  "Episode VII"   
   > >  *IS*   
   > >>>> >> >>>   simply a lazy reboot of the original   
   > movies.   
   > >  The talentless   
   > >>>> >> >>>   idiot simply copied most of his movie   
   > from   
   > >  the Original   
   > >>>> >> >>>   Trilogy (plus a bit of the Rebels   
   > animated   
   > >  show with an   
   > >>>> >> >>>   orphaned main character), and then,   
   > similar   
   > >  to his Star   
   > >>>> >> >>>   Drek mess, tried to disguise such   
   > stupidity   
   > >  by making it   
   > >>>> >> >>>   seem like part of the same franchise. The   
   > >  reason so many   
   > >>>> >> >>>   people like Episode VII is because it   
   > >  basically is the   
   > >>>> >> >>>   Original movie again.  :(   
   > >>>> >> >>   
   > >>>> >> >>   The problem with continuing a franchise   
   > years   
   > >  later is that   
   > >>>> >> >>   you have to introduce new viewers in   
   > addition   
   > >  to appeasing   
   > >>>> >> >>   the existing fans.   
   > >>>> >> >   
   > >>>> >> >  The existing fans have already introduced   
   > their   
   > >  kids to the   
   > >>>> >> >  Saga via the various theatrical and DVD   
   > releases   
   > >  (as well as   
   > >>>> >> >  occasional TV broadcasts) over the years.   
   > >>>> >>   
   > >>>> >>   No doubt many have but others have not and of   
   > >  course there are   
   > >>>> >>   many others who are not children of existing   
   > >  fans.   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >  That's what DVDs are for.   
   > >>>> >   
   > >>>> >  There was absolutely no need at all to reboot   
   > or   
   > >  recreate the   
   > >>>> >  original movies ... or *ANY* franchise - never   
   > was,   
   > >  is, never   
   > >>>> >  will be ... other than Jar Jar Abrams' complete   
   > >  lack of creative   
   > >>>> >  talent, sheer laziness, and over-bloated ego   
   > >  thinking he knew   
   > >>>> >  better than George Lucas (the guy who actually   
   > had   
   > >  the talent to   
   > >>>> >  come up with the idea!).   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   Despite the derivative aspects of Episode VII   
   > there   
   > >  were unique   
   > >>>>   pieces as well and it was still a sequel, not a   
   > >  reboot (for which   
      
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