From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca   
      
   In article <260820160939146046%YourName@YourISP.com>,   
   Your Name   wrote:   
   >In article , Cyber kNight   
   > wrote:   
   >> Your Name wrote on Wed, 24 August 2016 17:55   
   >> In article   
   >> , Cyber kNight   
   >> >  wrote:   
   >> > >  Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 21:30   
   >> > >>  In article ,   
   >> Cyber kNight   
   >> > >>   wrote:   
   >> > >>>   Your Name wrote on Tue, 23 August 2016 02:36   
   >> > >>>   In article   
   >> > >>>   , Cyber   
   >> > >>>   kNight   
   >> > >>>>    wrote:   
   >> > >>>> >   Your Name wrote on Tue, 09 August 2016 17:17   
   >> > >>>> >   In article   
   >> > >>>> >>   
   >> > >>>> >>  We don't want nor need a supposedly "better"   
   >> story ... we   
   >> > >>>> >>  already have the story. Making a new one is simply   
   >> Disney being   
   >> > >>>> >>  egotistical and making a confused mess of the franchise.   
   >> :-\   
   >> > >>>> >   
   >> > >>>> >   That already happened with episodes I-III.   
   >> > >>>>   
   >> > >>>>   No it didn't. The Prequel Trilogy is what George   
   >> Lucas had   
   >> > >>>>   (semi)planned all along ... he said virtually   
   >> from the start that   
   >> > >>>>   he started in the middle (with Episode IV) because   
   >> he knew people   
   >> > >>>>   would find the start of the story less interesting.   
   >> > >>>>   
   >> > >>>>   Even if it had done, George Lucas had every right   
   >> to do whatever he   
   >> > >>>>   wanted with *HIS* creation.   
   >> > >>>   
   >> > >>>   Certainly the basic story of Anakin becoming Darth   
   >> Vader was more   
   >> > >>>   or less planned (or at least in the back of Lucas'   
   >> mind) all along   
   >> > >>>   but much of the storytelling, particularly in Episode   
   >> I, was a   
   >> > >>>   confused mess.   
   >> > >>   
   >> > >>  No it wasn't. The complaints from the whiners about   
   >> Episode I were   
   >> > >>  due to it be "boring" (as Lucas said they would) and   
   >> because they   
   >> > >>  didn't like Jar Jar Binks (who is little different to the   
   >>   
   >> > >>  Ewoks or the droids' banter) or the supposed racial steretypes   
   >> > >>  (after   
   >> whining there wasn't enough "diversity" in the   
   >> > >>  Original Trilogy).   
   >> > >   
   >> > >   I disagree.   
   >> >   
   >> > You can disagree all you want ... it doesn't alter the   
   >> actual facts   
   >> > though.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> You mean it doesn't alter YOUR opinion. When I say much of   
   >the prequel   
   >> trilogy was a confused mess that's my opinion. I   
   >liked the prequel trilogy   
   >> but there were a lot of problems   
   >with it despite (and because of) Lucas being   
   >> in control. It   
   >is widely believed (and I'm among those who do) that   
   >> they   
   >would have been better movies with other directors. Empire   
   >Strikes Back   
   >> is considered by most fans and critics to be   
   >the best Star Wars movie and   
   >> Lucas didn't direct that one.   
   >   
   >As I said, it doesn't alter the facts. The actual facts is that almost   
   >all of the complaints were about Jar Jar / racial stereotypes and it   
   >being boring (except for the Darth Maul / Qui-Gon / Obi-Wan light saber   
   >battle near the end).   
   >   
   >You opinion is completely irrelevant to anyone but you.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >> Quote:   
   >> >>>>   Disney now owns Star Wars because George Lucas   
   >> sold it to   
   >> > >>>>   Disney (as he also had every right to do) and so   
   >> now they have   
   >> > >>>>   every right to do whatever they want with it.   
   >> > >>>   
   >> > >>>  No they don't. They may own the legal rights, but   
   >> they did not   
   >> > >>>  create the idea. I could own the Mona Lisa, but it   
   >> would still be   
   >> > >>>  abhorrent to any sane person if I was to draw a   
   >> moustache and   
   >> > >>>  Harry Potter glasses on it simply because *I*   
   >> thought it looked   
   >> > >>>  better that way.   
   >> > >>   
   >> > >>  So you are saying that Lucas did not have the right   
   >> to sell   
   >> > >>  his ownership of the franchise to someone else to   
   >> create   
   >> > >>  stories in?   
   >> >   
   >> > Where did I even remotely say that???   :-\   
   >   
   >>   
   >> I said Disney owns the rights and has the right to do   
   >whatever they want. You   
   >> said "no they don't". See above. If   
   >Lucas has the right to sell his creation   
   >> than whoever he   
   >sells his creation too surely has the right to use it.   
   >That's   
   >> the whole point. It's hardly worth paying billions of   
   >dollars for otherwise.   
   >   
   >Whoosh!! Straight over the top, didn't touch the sides.  :-\   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >> Quote:   
   >> >>>> >>>   It's too late ... JJ Abrams so-called   
   >> "Episode VII"   
   >> *IS*   
   >> > >>>> >>>   simply a lazy reboot of the original movies.   
   >> The talentless   
   >> > >>>> >>>   idiot simply copied most of his movie from   
   >> the Original   
   >> > >>>> >>>   Trilogy (plus a bit of the Rebels animated   
   >> show with an   
   >> > >>>> >>>   orphaned main character), and then, similar   
   >> to his Star   
   >> > >>>> >>>   Drek mess, tried to disguise such stupidity   
   >> by making it   
   >> > >>>> >>>   seem like part of the same franchise. The   
   >> reason so many   
   >> > >>>> >>>   people like Episode VII is because it   
   >> basically is the   
   >> > >>>> >>>   Original movie again.  :(   
   >> > >>>> >>   
   >> > >>>> >>   The problem with continuing a franchise years   
   >> later is that   
   >> > >>>> >>   you have to introduce new viewers in addition   
   >> to appeasing   
   >> > >>>> >>   the existing fans.   
   >> > >>>> >   
   >> > >>>> >  The existing fans have already introduced their   
   >> kids to the   
   >> > >>>> >  Saga via the various theatrical and DVD releases   
   >> (as well as   
   >> > >>>> >  occasional TV broadcasts) over the years.   
   >> > >>>>   
   >> > >>>>   No doubt many have but others have not and of   
   >> course there are   
   >> > >>>>   many others who are not children of existing   
   >> fans.   
   >> > >>>   
   >> > >>>  That's what DVDs are for.   
   >> > >>>   
   >> > >>>  There was absolutely no need at all to reboot or   
   >> recreate the   
   >> > >>>  original movies ... or *ANY* franchise - never was,   
   >> is, never   
   >> > >>>  will be ... other than Jar Jar Abrams' complete   
   >> lack of creative   
   >> > >>>  talent, sheer laziness, and over-bloated ego   
   >> thinking he knew   
   >> > >>>  better than George Lucas (the guy who actually had   
   >> the talent to   
   >> > >>>  come up with the idea!).   
   >> > >>   
   >> > >>  Despite the derivative aspects of Episode VII there   
   >> were unique   
   >> > >>  pieces as well and it was still a sequel, not a   
   >> reboot (for which   
   >> > >>  I am personally thankful for).   
   >> >   
   >> > All idiotic "reboots" have their own silly ideas ...   
   >> that's what make   
   >> > them a "reboot" rather than a "remake".   
   >> >   
   >> > And yes, Episode VII was an idiotic "reboot", but like   
   >> Abram's Star   
   >> > Drek, it's pretending not to be, and also just like   
   >> Abrams' Star Drek,   
   >> > failing miserably to convince to anyone with actual eyes   
   >> and a brain   
   >> > who see it.   
   >   
   >>   
      
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