From: LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net   
      
   Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:52pm+0100, Yaniv Tempelman :   
      
   >   
   > Gilles Poitras wrote:   
   >   
   > > Toren has done so much to promote good quality manga, I've been reading   
   > > his translations since the late 1980s. He is a great example of a fan   
   > > who saw an opportunity and turned pro.   
   >   
   	[snippity snip snip]   
   >   
   > The other thing I don't understand is his rant about some otakus   
   > stubborness concerning pictures and translations adjustments. Example:   
   > If Shiina is sometimes naked in the original Naru Taru - a series which   
   > is full of sexual allusions and coming of age, by the way - and Toren Smith   
   > says this wouldn't be important for the overall plot at all, then I   
   >   
      
   I think he's saying that poor overall translation is more important   
   to overall plot but which many fans miss to rant about.   
      
   >   
   > can't help asking myself  a) why did Kitoh draw her naked for Afternoon   
   > in the first place   
   >   
      
   Because he could do it?  In Japan to sell more with no controversy?   
   Of course, if it was America, his American editors   
   wouldn't had let him do it in the first place.   
   Then again, nobody complains about too much sex out of Hollywood   
   - everybody likes how Hollywood oversexes their films.   
   We all love Hollywood for that; after all, why do it in the first place?   
      
   >   
   > and b) maybe Kitoh has no problem with any   
   > alterations to his (art)work because he's a polite japanese and doesn't   
   > want to be rough towards some gaijin? You know, the tatemae/honne aspect   
   > when dealing with japanese people.   
   >   
      
   Then again, maybe he isn't, like those Japanese CEOs   
   who don't trust any gaijin to manage their businesses?   
   Who knows?  Why would we assume either way?   
      
   >   
   > Of course, manga is buisness, and if there is anything which can put   
   > sales in jeopardy, it will be removed or altered. I fully unterstand   
   > the publisher's position. It's just Toren Smith's rant about fans, his   
   > justifications and "old days nostalgia"  which seem over top to me.   
   > Maybe he had really bad experiences whith some fans in the past; I can't   
   > explain some of his views and remarks otherwise.   
   >   
      
   It's the same rants anime fans whined about   
   when anime started to go mainstream years before manga.   
   What comes around goes around.   
      
   Laters. =)   
      
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