From: tnaran@no-more-virii-please.direct.ca   
      
   Ping Kuo wrote:   
   >   
   > in a way, while I don't like Tokyopop's paper and translation, the   
   > competition does bring a change to how manga is ported to the west.   
      
   The fact that Tokyopop took the weird idea of going outside the comic   
   shop because Levy believed Americans _would_ read manga if they don't   
   read comic books alone qualifies him as a giant in the field.   
      
   > that go back to my original statement surveys done in con and comic   
   > store are worthless, for years Viz and DH use those surveys as proof   
   > why they don't do unflipped and shoujo, and why they insist to package   
   > "manga" as "comic" to sell them, which is to sell them to comic   
   > readers.   
      
   Is THAT what they did?  *shakes head*   
      
   > I guess in a way, it took a while for them to realize that most manga   
   > readers <>==  comic readers.   
      
   After seeing Tokyopop's numbers and the demographic results Tokyopo &   
   others kept putting out.  From the mainstream articles I read, the   
   female readership is a huge draw for these publishers.   
      
   > over localized and poorly written English translation, to me, is not as   
   > much a sin as WRONG translation, when the translation create a totally   
   > different meaning/feeling from the original,   
      
   How often does that happen?   
      
   > I don't have too many new originals, and I don't read English version   
   > except whatever I can borrow from library, but the few I compared like   
   > Realbout High School, the translation is atrocious to the point that I   
   > think, as an amature not fluent in Japanese, I can do a better job.   
      
   Well, there you're agreeing with Toren.   
      
   > it bugs me when western publisher used the "hey the author's ok w/ the   
   > changes." to hide behind the censorship issue, look, the Japanese   
   > authors will only agree to the changes of  the originals because the   
   > western editor went to them, and tell them, "if you want to sell more   
   > copies, we have to censor those parts."  otherwise why won't them draw   
   > differently in the original in the first place?  so the   
   > decision/judgement is strictly w/ Viz, DC, Tokyopop, Del Ray, DH, etc.   
   > the "author is ok w/ the changes" hide the fact that "the author would   
   > rather his/her work be presented in original form, but since you guys   
   > insist and will do the changed, I guess it is ok, too."  it is not like   
   > the mangaka went to the western editor and say "may be you should   
   > censor this part before you publish it.", etc.   
      
   That's a VERY good point.  I hadn't thought of it that way before.   
      
   > and really, I don't have too much sympathy for people who cry it is the   
   > end of the world because of the changes from the original, either.   
   > time to learn another languages,   if you only have one way of   
   > acquiring a certain products then you are letting the supplier setting   
   > the rules,   
      
   I resemble that remark. ;-)   
      
   >>indie publishing and did pretty well in their niche.  I think what bugs   
   >>me is the way comic book industry types are so stuck in their Marvel/DC   
   >>mindsets that they simply couldn't see what's changing.   
   >   
   > and they ever wonder why manga took over the GN market in US in less   
   > than 5 years time?   
      
   Hehehe.   
      
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