XPost: rec.arts.anime.misc
From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com
On 08/22/2011 08:53 AM, Gerardo Campos wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:10:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>> On 08/21/2011 09:11 AM, sanjian wrote:
>>> On 8/20/2011 11:04 PM, Travers Naran wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2011 10:16 AM, dumpster4@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> "The brawny super-heroes of American comic culture are taking on the
>>>>> starry-eyed Japanese girls of manga.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the winner, world domination and potentially millions more
>>>>> readers in Asia."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure there will be rebuttal, but thanks for the perspective. Not
>>> having been interested in comics, at all, until I picked up my first
>>> issue of Adam Warren's rendition of the Dirty Pair (Sim Hell,
>>> specifically), I wasn't sure how the health of the market really was.
>>>
>> Well it is to bad you were not interested in Comics or even
>> Comix when they came along in the 1960s and 1970s.
>> I got to read the Sunday Funnies in the SF Chronicle with
>> Bringing Up Father (aka Maggie and Jiggs), Blondie, Joe Palooka,
>> the various Milton Caniff strips from Terry and the Pirates on, Flying
>> Jack. Thimble Theatre with Popeye, Olive Oyl and the rest.
>> the Gumps, Moon Mullins, the Nut Bros Chet and Wal, the Little King and
>> the Little Hichhiker(Nov shoz ka pop), Henry the bald kid with a speech
>> impediment, Little Lulu and her pals, Fritz Ritz with Nancy and Sluggo,
>> Mark Trail, Mary Worth from the depression's, Rex Morgan M.D., and
>> little Orphan Annie with Daddy Warbucks and a couple of oriental
>> bodyguards so that no matter the villain with Sandy to help out she
>> always got away and sooner or later found DW again.
>> I nearly forgot Dick Tracy with his weird pals
>> and weirder villains. Al Capp's Lil Abner was very popular until he
>> got caught in an underage sex scandal.
>> But Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were in the
>> Comic books aka flimsy 4 color thin magazines.
>> Waldo the Rabbit as well as the Bunny, Bugs.
>> MaryAnn and Sniffles the mouse.
>> The Batman was toting twin 45s early on before
>> the writers got smart and invented less lethal toys for the Utility
>> Belt. Superman was a lot simpler in those days and the art and
>> reproduction was really low quality. The original Green Lantern was a
>> simple crime fighter with no explanation for his Power Ring or Lantern.
>> The Flash was Mercury aka Hermes in long underwear and a WW I helmet
>> which design was shared with the Flash who gained his speed through the
>> recitation of a mathematical formula.
>> Captain America was the best thought out
>> of the science fictional origin stories. Daredevil led a band of
>> fighting kids who were seen as "Junior Commandos" infiltrating the Reich
>> in ragamuffin, refugee outfits.
>>
>> Hawkman, Bulletman, Captain Midnight, Black Hawk
>> and his crew, Mandrake the Magician who gestured hypnotically and made
>> the villains rue the day they crossed him and his companions. Wonder
>> Woman was simply a magical Amazon from a hidden island with an invisible
>> plane and magic lasso and magic bracelets that could deflect bullets.
>>
>> Pogo Possum came along in the 1950s and both
>> mother and myself were enchanted with the political rhetoric expressed
>> in newpaper strips and these collected were some of the first graphic
>> novels I collected.
>>
>> Oh yeah I had missed some great stuff but in
>> the Sacramento Public Library we had access to the full run of George
>> Herriman's Krazy Kat
>>
>> Some of the heroes had radio shows, but when
>> TV came in we had more stuff to satisfy our recreational requirements.
>> Less time to read comic strips with the increases in work and homework.
>>
>> So that is why I say that it is too bad you
>> had to wait for the Dirty Pair to get interested in comics.
>> bliss
>
> Impresive list that made me remember when I got the Sunday comics, but
> didn't you get on your paper?: Phantom "The Ghost That Walks", Prince
> Valiant, Hi an Lois, Peanuts, Family Circus, Believe It or Not, Flash
> Gordon.
Phantom, Flash Gordon and Prince Valiant were in the papers
along with the stuff I mentioned. Peanuts, Hi and Lois and the
Family Circus were in the future. Believe It or Not was an illustrated
feature not a comic strip in the true sense any more than editorial
cartoons were.
>
> When I read them the first time, the characters and titles had funny
> translations to Spanish
>
> Bringing Up Father (aka Maggie and Jiggs),
> "Educando a Papá" (Ramona y Pancho)
What food does Pancho seek that Ramona
hates? (Jiggs was a contractor who got rich, and
he loved besides his beer, corned beef and cabbage
which Maggie found to destroy the ambiance of her
upscale housing.) Bringing up Father referred to
her attempt to civilize her Irish millionaire.
>
> Blondie,
> "Lorenzo Parachoques y Pepita"
>
> Little Lulu and her pals
> "La pequeña Lulú" (Lulú, Tobi)
>
> Fritz Ritz with Nancy and Sluggo,
> "Periquita" with tía Dorita, Periquita, Tito
>
> But Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse
> "Pato Pascual" and "Ratón Miguelito"
>
> Bugs Bunny
> "El Conejo de la Suerte"
>
> The Batman
> There is a story on why the characters got their names,
>
> Bruce -> Bruno Diaz
> Dick -> Ricardo Tapia
> Joker -> Guasón
> Catwoman -> Gatúbela
>
>
Well the story of the Joker is in his
original name as a petty criminal, Jack Napier
which is jackanapes Websters defines as
1 monkey, ape
2 a -an impudent or conceited fellow b- a saucy or mischievous child
Origin of JACKANAPES
Middle English Jack Napis, nickname for William de la Pole †1450 duke of
Suffolk First Known Use: 1526
So the Joker adds an overlay of Homicidal mania to his
mischievous child personality. Probably why the fans like him so much.
But like many funny people he is broken and certainly more broken
than most. With his survival power he is on a level with any
super character or meta-humal such as Popeye or Krazy Kat.
If you don't think those two had survival enabled look
at how Ignatz, the mouse villain expressed his love of the Kat
or the survival of Popeye against the Sea Hag. According to
one source Popeye got his power from comforting a Hen,
(doubtless the Phoenix) while they were imprisoned on a ship
of the Sea Hag. The Kat just had it written into the script.
;^)
Batman could move to Mexico City these days and be right at
home with the various elements of his story transposing to modern times.
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