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   In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >   
   >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <   
   findley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work.  SpaceX is   
   trying to avoid adding   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage.    
   The stage could hover   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco   
   engines to the first   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage.  But, they require different fuel and   
   oxidizer than the first   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries.  This would mean adding   
   completely different tanks,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc.  for those engines.  Also,   
   if Super Dracos were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the   
   kerosene and then vent   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before   
   landing.  So, any "leftover"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted".  In my   
   book, this would not be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage   
   the ability to hover,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that   
   be create a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big   
   design change so you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a   
   whole new engine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space   
   stuff doesn't have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall   
   talking about nuclear   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat   
   bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you?    
   Either that or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything   
   sounds different to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.  Note that even if you interpret that one   
   instance the way you do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim   
   I've said.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all   
   male isolated   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg.  You're   
   not my type.  I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human.  You miss on   
   all four.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have   
   been putting   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you   
   stupid twat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the   
   Colonies, you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri   
   Lanka.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful   
   colony by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without   
   imports.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports   
   from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and   
   "live   
      
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