XPost: sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
      
   >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley    
   jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work.  SpaceX is   
   trying to avoid adding   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage.    
   The stage could hover   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super   
   Draco engines to the first   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage.  But, they require different fuel and   
   oxidizer than the first   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries.  This would mean adding   
   completely different tanks,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc.  for those engines.  Also,   
   if Super Dracos were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the   
   kerosene and then vent   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before   
   landing.  So, any "leftover"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted".  In my   
   book, this would not be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage   
   the ability to hover,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do   
   that be create a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big   
   design change so you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a   
   whole new engine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space   
   stuff doesn't have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall   
   talking about nuclear   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat   
   bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you?    
   Either that or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything   
   sounds different to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.  Note that even if you interpret that one   
   instance the way you do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim   
   I've said.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all   
   male isolated   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg.  You're   
   not my type.  I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human.  You miss   
   on all four.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have   
   been putting   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods,   
   you stupid twat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the   
   Colonies, you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims,   
   are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri   
   Lanka.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful   
   colony by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without   
   imports.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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