XPost: sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
      
   >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I realized   
   most   
   >>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and denial of   
   >>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian population   
   >>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were killed   
   >>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said essentially   
   >>>>>>>the same thing.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly sources' unless   
   >>>>>> you wrote them yourself.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And how is that, chimp?  What did I write (not what you read, what I   
   >>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European diseases ...   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >   
   >Yes, you did, several times.   
   >   
      
   Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   substitute for what I wrote.   
      
   >>>   
   >>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >   
   >Yes, you did, several times.   
   >   
      
   Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   substitute for what I wrote.   
      
   >>>   
   >>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with wouldn't   
   >> be what I said.  You really don't handle English very well at all, do   
   >> you?  Let me help you out just a bit.   
   >>   
   >> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died   
   >> before they ever met a European".   
   >   
   >Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >   
      
   It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality wants   
   them to have said.   
      
   >> Note that that is nothing like what   
   >> you claim I said, unless you believe that there is some reason that   
   >> disease cannot travel from native to native without an intervening   
   >> European contact.   
   >   
   >The diseases that caused the mass die off were non-existant in the   
   >Americas before the Europeans arrived.   
   >   
      
   Diseases spontaneously mutate.   
      
   >>   
   >> What I said was "European explorers were surprised at how sparse the   
   >> native population was".  Note that this is not the same thing AT ALL   
   >> as "there were few people in pre-columbian Americas".  In fact, it's   
   >> talking about POST Columbian America.   
   >   
   >Which if flat wrong; European explorers were surprised at how many   
   >people there were.   
   >   
      
   Cite?   
      
   >   
   >More weasel words.   
   >   
      
   It's not "weasel words", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality wants   
   them to have said.   
      
   >The explorers were the start of post Columbian America.   
   >   
   >> While there is no evidence I am aware of other than rough coincidence   
   >> in time that the disease(s) were from Europeans, let's pretend for a   
   >> moment that that's correct.  Let's examine how what I said is exactly   
   >> correct and how you, in your eagerness to accuse me of saying things I   
   >> never said, actually read things I didn't write.   
   >   
   >You mean other than they were non-existant until the first Europeans   
   >arrived?   
   >   
      
   Coincidence does not prove causality.   
      
   >> Diseases move faster than settlers or even explorers, Chimp.  So we   
   >> get that initial European contact.  One or more natives get something   
   >> that they have no resistance to.  They go back to their villages and   
   >> expose a bunch of other natives (who have never met a European).  Some   
   >> of those folks travel in various directions (a relatively large   
   >> population is going to mean travel and trade) and expose yet more   
   >> natives who perhaps have not even HEARD of Europeans except as   
   >> rumours.  This goes on.  90% of the native population expires, most of   
   >> them never having met, seen, or even heard of Europeans.   
   >   
   >You are the one that kept babbling about MEETING a Eurpean, not me.   
   >   
      
   Yes, I said what I said, not what you pretend I said.   
      
   >   
   >All I said was the Europeans brought the diseases.   
   >   
      
   Unproven.   
      
   >> Meanwhile, Europeans, who are only present in small numbers, start to   
   >> explore and/or settle.  By the time they get any appreciable distance   
   >> from the site of initial contact, much of the native population has   
   >> died off.  The Europeans are surprised at how sparsely populated the   
   >> land is, not knowing that 90% of the people who lived there not all   
   >> that long before have disappeared.   
   >   
   >Finally got something correct.   
   >   
      
   Got it all correct all along, you incredibly stupid twat.   
      
   >>   
   >> And there's the problem, Jim.  You are so eager to pick fights with   
   >> people that you read things they've never written in order to do so.   
   >> That's well beyond merely being the asshole you present as and into   
   >> pathological mental illness.  And it's always the other person's   
   >> fault, whether it's you misreading something, you having some problem   
   >> with your newsfeed, or anything else.  It's NEVER Jimp.   
   >   
   >Blow it out your ass, lier.   
   >   
      
   You're the one making shit up and pretending I said it, you hopelessly   
   stupid twat.   
      
   >> Well, this was all you.  You made shit up I never said and then   
   >> proceeded to act as if I'd said it and insult me because YOU were   
   >> stupid.   
   >   
   >Nope, you are denying what you said several times now that you are   
   >backed against the wall.   
   >   
      
   Liar.  Go back and find me saying what you claim I said (as opposed to   
   what I say I said).  Go ahead.  I'll wait.  But you can't do it   
   BECAUSE YOU'RE A LIAR.   
      
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Then I noticed you snipped the important part, so I'll just repost   
   that part.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You mean the biased part that misstates things?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>I know a realist description bothers you space cadet.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I know you wouldn't know a 'realistic description' if it came up and   
   >>>>>> bit you, chimpshit.   
      
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