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   In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >   
   >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I   
   realized most   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and denial   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian   
   population   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were   
   killed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said essentially   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly sources'   
   unless   
   >>>>>>>>>>> you wrote them yourself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And how is that, chimp?  What did I write (not what you read, what I   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European diseases ...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>   
   >>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>by European diseases?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   > native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   > Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   > be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   > who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   > recorded it got there the die off was over.   
      
   Yeah, sure.   
      
   Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
      
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>   
   >>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>by European diseases?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   > native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   > Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   > be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   > who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   > recorded it got there the die off was over.   
      
   Yeah, sure.   
      
   Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with wouldn't   
   >>>>>>> be what I said.  You really don't handle English very well at all, do   
   >>>>>>> you?  Let me help you out just a bit.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died   
   >>>>>>> before they ever met a European".   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>>>> mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality wants   
   >>>>> them to have said.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>The mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> It's not "weasel wording", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>> mean.  Learn to read what people write, not what your asshole   
   >>> personality wants them to have said.   
   >>   
   >>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>by European diseases?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   > native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   > Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   > be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   > who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   > recorded it got there the die off was over.   
      
   Yeah, sure.   
      
   Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Note that that is nothing like what   
   >>>>>>> you claim I said, unless you believe that there is some reason that   
   >>>>>>> disease cannot travel from native to native without an intervening   
   >>>>>>> European contact.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>The diseases that caused the mass die off were non-existant in the   
   >>>>>>Americas before the Europeans arrived.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Diseases spontaneously mutate.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>The diseases that caused the mass die off were non-existant in the   
   >>>>Americas before the Europeans arrived.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Which gives you 'coincident in time'.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You don't spontaneously get bubonic plague, chicken pox, pneumonic plague,   
   >>>>cholera, diphtheria, influenza, measles, scarlet fever, smallpox, typhus,   
   >>>>tuberculosis, and whooping cough.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> And there's no evidence that any of those were the diseases behind the   
   >>> die off, since there were no doctors around to see it happen.   
   >>   
   >>So a denialist to the bitter end?   
   >>   
   >   
      
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