XPost: sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
      
   >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I   
   realized most   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and   
   denial of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian   
   population   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were   
   killed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said   
   essentially   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly sources'   
   unless   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote them yourself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> And how is that, chimp?  What did I write (not what you read, what I   
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European diseases   
   ...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>   
   >>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>by European diseases?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >   
   >Yeah, sure.   
   >   
   >Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >   
      
   Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   country.   
      
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>   
   >>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>by European diseases?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >   
   >Yeah, sure.   
   >   
   >Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >   
      
   Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   country.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with wouldn't   
   >>>>>>>> be what I said.  You really don't handle English very well at all, do   
   >>>>>>>> you?  Let me help you out just a bit.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died   
   >>>>>>>> before they ever met a European".   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>>>>> mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality wants   
   >>>>>> them to have said.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>The mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's not "weasel wording", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>>> mean.  Learn to read what people write, not what your asshole   
   >>>> personality wants them to have said.   
   >>>   
   >>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>by European diseases?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >   
   >Yeah, sure.   
   >   
   >Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >   
      
   Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   country.   
      
   >>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Note that that is nothing like what   
   >>>>>>>> you claim I said, unless you believe that there is some reason that   
   >>>>>>>> disease cannot travel from native to native without an intervening   
   >>>>>>>> European contact.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>The diseases that caused the mass die off were non-existant in the   
   >>>>>>>Americas before the Europeans arrived.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Diseases spontaneously mutate.   
   >>>>>   
      
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