XPost: sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work.
SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first
stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added
Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different
fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean
adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those
engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to
deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks
before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be
"wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9
first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way
to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a
very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if
it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another
thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J.
McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of
bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English,
do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest
everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that
one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you
claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in
an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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