XPost: sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I
realized most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and
denial of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian
population
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were
killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said
essentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly sources'
unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote them yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And how is that, chimp? What did I write (not what you read, what
I
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European diseases
...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not what I said. Go read it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liar. I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,
>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's get this straight. I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*
>>>>> am a liar? Yeah, right....
>>>>
>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out
>>>>by European diseases?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no, I haven't. What I've said is that there was a big
>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of
>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot
>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone
>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have
>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.
>>
>>Yeah, sure.
>>
>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the
>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.
>>
>
> Not according to your own cites. What was noticed was the empty
> country.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not what I said. Go read it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liar. I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,
>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's get this straight. I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*
>>>>> am a liar? Yeah, right....
>>>>
>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out
>>>>by European diseases?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no, I haven't. What I've said is that there was a big
>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of
>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot
>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone
>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have
>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.
>>
>>Yeah, sure.
>>
>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the
>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.
>>
>
> Not according to your own cites. What was noticed was the empty
> country.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> be what I said. You really don't handle English very well at all, do
>>>>>>>>> you? Let me help you out just a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died
>>>>>>>>> before they ever met a European".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard. Words mean what they
>>>>>>> mean. Read what people write, not what your asshole personality wants
>>>>>>> them to have said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The mass die off started with the Europeans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not "weasel wording", you stupid bastard. Words mean what they
>>>>> mean. Learn to read what people write, not what your asshole
>>>>> personality wants them to have said.
>>>>
>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out
>>>>by European diseases?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no, I haven't. What I've said is that there was a big
>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of
>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot
>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone
>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have
>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.
>>
>>Yeah, sure.
>>
>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the
>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.
>>
>
> Not according to your own cites. What was noticed was the empty
> country.
>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that that is nothing like what
>>>>>>>>> you claim I said, unless you believe that there is some reason that
>>>>>>>>> disease cannot travel from native to native without an intervening
>>>>>>>>> European contact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The diseases that caused the mass die off were non-existant in the
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